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Kirjutas Dave, 16.04.2025 at 01:06

Kirjutas YourSphinx, 14.04.2025 at 22:44

This data is absolute garbage clovis and you look like a clown posting it. Relevant data would be something like total games played in main lobby, not a compilation of, the clicks of alts, forum visits, bots and passthrough user traffic.

That graph only counts players in games (or in lobbies). It does not include forums or bots or anything else. (I'm not sure this is central to the argument, but I just like to be accurate about data, it's my thing...)

Kirjutas YourSphinx, 14.04.2025 at 22:44

Alas you come back, had a resentful, slave, freak moment by demoting lao, disappeared for awhile and returned to speed run your reputation destruction even further. It's frankly gross and inhuman. The mystique of the tournament winner, high elo, epic clan leader is gone and a hollow shell of a cultural marxist remains. Lao was always right, you're always on the wrong side of everything.

I wasn't around for the Clovis v Lao thing, that happened before my time. But what I do know is that Lao is a total asshole, while Clovis is a genuinely good human being. Lao was demoted for reasons, I don't even know the whole story, but I'm sure it had something to do with the fact that he's such an asshole. I'm definitely gonna take Clovis' side on this one.

LOL
Clovis the biggest dick in here by far , sadly had to play scen with him all this years . He only not a dick for you !
I will show you some screenshots later today when I have time , will be soo funny .

Kirjutas Dave, 15.04.2025 at 23:49

Kirjutas Nanoknight, 14.04.2025 at 04:28

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About future direction, unfortunately even the smallest changes are incredibly painful to make here on AW due to the poor state of the code. I've been trying to untangle it for years and feel like I've still barely scratched the surface.

I have an idea that will be a good change and it is not hard to implement with the current code: Make World Map 2.0 free for non-prems to host. I'm sure that will give a sort of refreshing vibe for them and they will play a bit more (should be announced since otherwise they prob won't find out as they don't use the forums as much as prems) It prob takes like 2 seconds too so i think it will be a good change.

Kirjutas Dave, 16.04.2025 at 00:22

Kirjutas Lev Davidovic, 14.04.2025 at 11:24

I really pray that the game as a whole is not hopeless aswell, but owner ignoring feedbacks suggest otherwise. I still don't understand what is the danger in unbanning people that are not hackers, without making them moderators or vice-president-whatever. I don't understand it because in 7 pages of thread it has not been said once. It has been said that low activity is better then bad activity (where I agree), but it hasnt been written what is exaclty this "bad". Is it farming or unsposrtmanship? We had it, we will always have it. Is it toxicity? Well, read above Dave, you will never get rid of that, unless you bann everyone that speaks, including and espetially your subordinates.

I'm not ignoring anybody as you can see from my numerous replies to this thread (well, except Waffel, because he's irrational). I *hear* you all, the thing is, I just don't *agree* with this "unban them all" argument. I've spelled out my reasons over and over. Just because you don't like my answer, don't pretend that I'm not listening. It doesn't matter how loud or how often you guys repeat the same old arguments. Those arguments have been rejected. It's time to accept this is what we're doing and lets move on.

To answer your question -- what is the danger in unbanning people? They problem is they're toxic.

Toxic people create an environment that pushes good players, and especially new players, away. This makes our already existing retention problem worse, not better.

That's the whole reason we're doing this. I've been saying this over and over.

Toxic people are fine for us old players, we got used to it, but as i can remember my first days in this community, i got help from "hdrakon" and Mytics clan, hdrakon was veryy friendly and helpful to me and i enjoyed every day in that clan with these people. I can't say what would happend if they were toxic to me, maybe i would just play world games and be a noob. So, healthy community is important to newbies only, later, they got used to toxicity xD

Kirjutas Dave, 16.04.2025 at 00:51

Kirjutas Metyu, 14.04.2025 at 11:56

"Online or offline, respect matters."

Do you realize that if your friends had acted with even a little respect towards the staff and the rest of the community.... none of them would have been banned?

Like, do you even hear yourself and what you're saying right now?

The fact that out of everything the video said, you only choose to acknowledge the ending is wild to me

Kirjutas Eagle, 15.04.2025 at 02:33

Thank you Waffel for this post, its been a fun read honestly. Gave me a reason to log in daily just to see how this will unravel.
Back in 2021, as far as I remember, most of the permabans were discussed in the discord between Dave and us mods before any action was taken, and I myself supported most of them (such as Bugs and Lion), and I don't think those people should return. The only person I strongly objected, and still do (Dave remembers, we spent a few hours discussing it) was banning Lao, who for me is in the top 3/5 most respectful and skill-wise players this game has seen. I really don't know/remember how they managed to piss off each other so much, but it was an isolated incident.
But I agree with Waffel, 3/4 years has passed since the whole "dropping the hammer" scenario has happened, and I an 99% sure that not all the players who were deleted/permabanned back then do not deserve to come back.
So instead of dragging this topic further, maybe we should make a list of all the players who were deleted/permabanned and want to come back, and we review their cases in the staff discord channel.
@Dave I am sure we can manage that. As I can see, you yourself don't remember all the bans (like Waffel), and I am sure there are a couple of more.
In case of Waffel, I honestly don't see how he could drive new players away from this game. He is usually just an annoyance, but only to the people he knows. I don't see a scenario where he comes up to a beginner and starts spamming him, nor is he the one to post vulgar things in room/global channels.

I'm totally fine with us reviewing case-by-case. I even said that earlier in this thread...

I think it would be good for somebody to make a list of exactly which players they are talking about. Because I know we didn't ban that many people overall... and I'm pretty sure we're getting blamed for people who deleted their own accounts, or went inactive on their own, or whatever. Off the top of my head there's only maybe 5(?) people who can never come back. It would be interesting to go down the list and see who everyone is actually talking about.

The thing with Waffel, I'm leaning towards banning him again because he's definitely making up a lot of lies and bullshit. He's probably spreading all that false crap to others and causing even more drama, which makes the community problem even worse. But we can discuss that more in private.

Kirjutas YourSphinx, 14.04.2025 at 22:44

This data is absolute garbage clovis and you look like a clown posting it. Relevant data would be something like total games played in main lobby, not a compilation of, the clicks of alts, forum visits, bots and passthrough user traffic.

That graph only counts players in games (or in lobbies). It does not include forums or bots or anything else. (I'm not sure this is central to the argument, but I just like to be accurate about data, it's my thing...)

Kirjutas YourSphinx, 14.04.2025 at 22:44

Alas you come back, had a resentful, slave, freak moment by demoting lao, disappeared for awhile and returned to speed run your reputation destruction even further. It's frankly gross and inhuman. The mystique of the tournament winner, high elo, epic clan leader is gone and a hollow shell of a cultural marxist remains. Lao was always right, you're always on the wrong side of everything.

I wasn't around for the Clovis v Lao thing, that happened before my time. But what I do know is that Lao is a total asshole, while Clovis is a genuinely good human being. Lao was demoted for reasons, I don't even know the whole story, but I'm sure it had something to do with the fact that he's such an asshole. I'm definitely gonna take Clovis' side on this one.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 14.04.2025 at 13:40

You, me, the whole goddamn game knows, that this is the period where Dave decided to change the datalogs of online players, and included literally everything into one pile: Online players.

I have not changed how online players are counted. That graph Clovis screenshotted is from a tool created by Amok that I have never made any changes to.

Please stop making up lies.

Kirjutas Metyu, 14.04.2025 at 11:56

"Online or offline, respect matters."

Do you realize that if your friends had acted with even a little respect towards the staff and the rest of the community.... none of them would have been banned?

Like, do you even hear yourself and what you're saying right now?

Tsiteeri:

Kirjutas Dave, 15.04.2025 at 23:49

Appreciate the comment and I agree with you

About future direction, unfortunately even the smallest changes are incredibly painful to make here on AW due to the poor state of the code. I've been trying to untangle it for years and feel like I've still barely scratched the surface. I think a total re-build from scratch would make things so much easier. Keep the idea and the mechanics but totally rewrite the code. If I did it though I would give it a new name and launch it as if it were its own totally new thing... I wouldn't tell anyone in the AW community about it because I wouldn't want the awful community to spread to the new platform!

This seems like a brilliant idea. Make a new game from scratch and let toxic awful community have their old, shitty poor code.

P.S. hopefully you would tell Clovis about your new game

Kirjutas Lev Davidovic, 14.04.2025 at 11:24

I really pray that the game as a whole is not hopeless aswell, but owner ignoring feedbacks suggest otherwise. I still don't understand what is the danger in unbanning people that are not hackers, without making them moderators or vice-president-whatever. I don't understand it because in 7 pages of thread it has not been said once. It has been said that low activity is better then bad activity (where I agree), but it hasnt been written what is exaclty this "bad". Is it farming or unsposrtmanship? We had it, we will always have it. Is it toxicity? Well, read above Dave, you will never get rid of that, unless you bann everyone that speaks, including and espetially your subordinates.

I'm not ignoring anybody as you can see from my numerous replies to this thread (well, except Waffel, because he's irrational). I *hear* you all, the thing is, I just don't *agree* with this "unban them all" argument. I've spelled out my reasons over and over. Just because you don't like my answer, don't pretend that I'm not listening. It doesn't matter how loud or how often you guys repeat the same old arguments. Those arguments have been rejected. It's time to accept this is what we're doing and lets move on.

To answer your question -- what is the danger in unbanning people? They problem is they're toxic.

Toxic people create an environment that pushes good players, and especially new players, away. This makes our already existing retention problem worse, not better.

That's the whole reason we're doing this. I've been saying this over and over.

Kirjutas Nanoknight, 14.04.2025 at 05:47

Tsiteeri:

So if you're going to refer to any criminal laws, either do it right or don't forget to mention that you're referring to the criminal law systems of dictatorial regimes, because according to your own words, you clearly don't believe in any democratic values in this game.

> Forms mobs that chases away new players
> Complains about democratic values not being upheld
Me: ?

100%

Kirjutas Grand Inquisitor, 14.04.2025 at 05:06

Every month there is a New bug that makes playing worse, but when clovis needs a turn reset, thats then prio number 1.

Yeah because Clovis isn't a dick, I'm more motivated to help him out!

Kirjutas Nanoknight, 14.04.2025 at 04:28

Meh you guys are all delusional, I can speak for myself, I only stayed because of persistence and atWar's uniqueness and I like maps, especially the custom scenarios, if I wasn't persistent I would've left after rank 6, since the community definitely is a problem and it is also a reason I hesitate to recommend atWar from other turn based browser games (which I won't even mention so they don't get brigaded/hacked/DDoSed, lol, that's how bad atWar "community" is)
I maybe got a few people make a new account or guest account here but I'm sure most of them didn't stick around.
It is also a large reason I take big breaks, there's just "greener pastures" than here, even if not having exactly the same mechanics.

1 slight criticism I might have is in the future direction, either make this entirely "family-friendly", or not, and also a complete theme makeover and relatively cheap promotional campaigns can be done over the internet.
Adding AI (at least rules based AI) and quality of life features such as rally points alongside the existing auto recruit, would come a long way.

Maybe also a map editor overhaul, to make it less hard to make maps, with a GUI integrated scripting system? Nowadays it isn't too hard to accomplish such.

Appreciate the comment and I agree with you

About future direction, unfortunately even the smallest changes are incredibly painful to make here on AW due to the poor state of the code. I've been trying to untangle it for years and feel like I've still barely scratched the surface. I think a total re-build from scratch would make things so much easier. Keep the idea and the mechanics but totally rewrite the code. If I did it though I would give it a new name and launch it as if it were its own totally new thing... I wouldn't tell anyone in the AW community about it because I wouldn't want the awful community to spread to the new platform!

Kirjutas Patricky, 15.04.2025 at 19:20

Kirjutas Grand Inquisitor, 14.04.2025 at 09:27

Imagine if you had 30 players instead of 11, maybe you could fill the lobby with trusted players as we always did. I must be briliant to come up with this. Lol

Or possibly an AI (bots).

Which Dave said himself a couple of weeks ago that he might work on - despite him ignoring this thought of mine twice already.

I guess I'm also up there with Einstein and you.

This isn't your thought lol; the entire world is foaming at the mouth for practical uses of ai. Programming an ai bot would be very time consuming and require an extensive knowledge of machine learning. Integrating it into this spaghetti code would be a nightmare.

Idk why I even added that, the important part is:

THERE IS NO SATISFACTION IN BEATING A BOT….AT ALL

the only practical use I could see is a training simulator or a single player mode for those who wish.

All this game has, is its community. A cold, sterilized, bot does nothing for it. The majority of players are not going to log on, to play against a fucking ai bot.

Kirjutas nutt, 15.04.2025 at 20:09

Why are you all so gay

i dont know, you tell us since you are

Why are you all so gay

Kirjutas Grand Inquisitor, 14.04.2025 at 09:27

Imagine if you had 30 players instead of 11, maybe you could fill the lobby with trusted players as we always did. I must be briliant to come up with this. Lol

Or possibly an AI (bots).

Which Dave said himself a couple of weeks ago that he might work on - despite him ignoring this thought of mine twice already.

I guess I'm also up there with Einstein and you.

WOW!!!

Unironic masterpiece, congrats

Kirjutas Palmitas, 15.04.2025 at 18:28

..

This is an actual reality shock from someone who really got involved in the game and not superficially, so totally agree and support!

P.S: Las malvinas si son argentinas!

If Metyu gets banned, then ban me aswell. It is pointless to have an account in a game I just can't find people to play with. I log in every day hoping to see someone, and I just say SOMEONE in my friendlist (that consists of 83 people, by the way) to be online. You might aswell just ban every single player that upvoted the post right? they are all supporting Metyu. Dave just do something, if you have no time either sell the game or unban people, I beg for the love of god. This game has a history of 15+ yrs and it's well on its knees.

Agree dont ban metyu, that shit was hilarious

Although this may seem obvious, I felt the need to say it: even with small and very slight differences, many of the people from different communities who voted in favor of this thread (and other similar posts), and who also commented in this thread, agree that a general unban is necessary and that things have gone too far.

I could list each of them, but doing so would only be unnecessarily sad.

While it's true that unbanning them won't generate a noticeable increase in the number of players, it would make the game more interesting and dynamic.

I understand that if you haven't tried everything the game has to offer, you can't really know if it's interesting or not. Therefore, you shouldn't assume that the decline in activity is only due to toxicity.

The real problem is the lack of content, updates, and improvements in gameplay quality. This makes the game feel boring and undynamic, especially for new players. Even more so considering it's a browser game with an aesthetic pulled from 2014-ish, while many of the newcomers are coming from playing games like Hoi4, Fortnite, Marvel Rivals, League of Legends, Genshin Impact, among others.

There is also no real incentive for current players to stay. Many abandoned the game, deleted their accounts, or simply stopped logging in. A large portion left because their friends or acquaintances were banned, causing a kind of chain reaction of deleted accounts.

To make matters worse, there are no old players left who can teach or who have the desire or motivation to actively do so.

Both situations feed off each other, and added to the lack of investment in new content, they form a perfect triad that only contributes to the game feeling more and more dead.

If I had to set priorities, I would put toxicity last among the factors that make the game unplayable. But I also understand that, in a context where so many important things are missing (including the map editor), some people end up resorting to punish others as a way to "do something," even though in reality, it doesn't represent a significant solution.

Kirjutas Kaska, 15.04.2025 at 00:41

Blocked tengri, best décision ever

(Edit : tengri stop pming thru alts you scumbag)

why would i waste my time by pming u on alts?
its unleashed u ape and now hes going to spam me for the next 1 week cuz i named him

Kirjutas 4nic Smith, 15.04.2025 at 11:22

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-stone-gif-18663989

But I digress...

Even if the thread is closed , I will open a new one when my casual games end , then I will say my piece.

Kirjutas Phoenix, 15.04.2025 at 07:58

Kirjutas Eagle, 15.04.2025 at 02:33

Most of the permabans were discussed in the discord between Dave and us mods before any action was taken, and I myself supported most of them (such as Bugs and Lion), and I don't think those people should return. The only person I strongly objected, and still do (Dave remembers, we spent a few hours discussing it) was banning Lao, who for me is in the top 3/5 most respectful and skill-wise players.
instead of dragging this topic further, maybe we should make a list of all the players who were deleted/permabanned and want to come back, and we review their cases in the staff discord channel.
@Dave I am sure we can manage that. As I can see, you yourself don't remember all the bans.

Well said. This topic needs to die an appropriate death. It's sadistic at this point.

Dave hasn't been cooperative at all with anyone here. On the contrary this thread needs more time to unfold.

Kirjutas Eagle, 15.04.2025 at 02:33

Most of the permabans were discussed in the discord between Dave and us mods before any action was taken, and I myself supported most of them (such as Bugs and Lion), and I don't think those people should return. The only person I strongly objected, and still do (Dave remembers, we spent a few hours discussing it) was banning Lao, who for me is in the top 3/5 most respectful and skill-wise players.
instead of dragging this topic further, maybe we should make a list of all the players who were deleted/permabanned and want to come back, and we review their cases in the staff discord channel.
@Dave I am sure we can manage that. As I can see, you yourself don't remember all the bans.

Well said. This topic needs to die an appropriate death. It's sadistic at this point.