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Kirjutas Astra Corporate, 23.04.2025 at 08:12

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Kirjutas 77TENGRI99, 20.04.2025 at 16:18

Hey dave they pressuring u for an unban deal. im here for a peaceful negotiate between both sides

I don't negotiate with terrorists

Kirjutas Palmitas, 20.04.2025 at 14:27

There is a reason I don't say names, thats because I DON'T KNOW who is ddosing, no one does... you cannot say its from the "unban" group when no one knows WHO is ddosing.

I know exactly who it is, I just don't want to say his name because he feeds off the attention

I know who it is. Not gonna say his name. He's been triggering our automated defenses all day long, but a couple of his IPs managed to sneak through. I manually banned them.

Kirjutas Grand Inquisitor, 19.04.2025 at 07:51

Nice one buddy, calling people dogs, retards in forums is a nice way to go, guees you can do whatever if you on daves side. Always have considered you a retard to be honest!

He wasn't insulting. Just stating facts

Kirjutas Kaska, 18.04.2025 at 01:58

Tengri is a freak and a retard but this comment gives a perfect conclusion to this topic IMO

Altough many people believe that i was supportive of the bans (mostly because of waffel paranoïa and drama Queen personality enflammed by lao mistreatment), ive never voted for them. As ive been saying many times, my position was always to perma mute for the worst people (like 006 for exemple). Ive never abused m'y powers as it has been mentioned, and i believe most of the staff team was in the same situation. It's easy to cry and play thé victim card when you dont wheel the hammer and call to the community which dont know shit. As that retarded comment by tempest underline, being a mod is taking a lot of crap, not necessarily being able to défend yourself, and see some random people turning you into something or someone you're not. Thats fair and i dont really care tbh.

About Dave, again, hats down to tengri. Hes not thé villain or thé asshole that some prétend he is, hé just see the game from another perspective, overall is a nice dude with a lot of interesting things to Say and a great background. If it wasnt for him, that cunt xbugs would still bé ddosing the game with no réaction whatsoever from amok, like it was before Dave bought atwar. Some remember how bad it was... AT least Dave keeps the game running.

That being said Dave, i cannot sugarcoat the reality : tengri is right, again, with thé massive purge, Sid and you (i strongly believe sid was a bad choice and the CC events confirmed he was not fit for the job) overreacted and made a séries of bad décision regarding toxicity, and consequently have destroyed the soul or atwar : it's tiny community of nerds that pushed the games to it's limits, inventing new tactics, new ways within the matrix etc... As tengri mentionned despite thé toxicity it was passionnate and warm, a little bit liké a family, we knew each other, fought each other, trashed each other... at the end of thé day we all came back for more, and now it's gone, empty, with no skilled players to make the game interesting. Even the staff team is gone and ni games are being played, partly because that little community that was either banned or driven away was creating the quick game activity, or was able to train some new people to do it (try understand some scénarios without skilled players to explain you what to do. Some jewels have not been player for years like 30 years wars and its frezking sad).

Now most of us ask you to at least let some friends or dear person comr back and you refuse for reasons i dont understand and with a frivolity that i dont really agree with.

Sorry to say this bro, but this is disappointing : youve changed the face of a game weve played and loved together, but zt thé same Time you didn't improve it. If u had, you could claim to bé legit with your "business perspective" but atm youve killed the community that kept this game alive and dont have thé Time to code (not blaming you for that, just stating a fact that underline m'y point that your shouldnt have ban all thèse people : permamute is the key)

As 4nic said, you should unban all, not because you like them but because theyre making the activity. You should stay up in the sky coding and improving the games (i'll bé dead before thé tutorials are done) and not bother yourself with thé retards and the nerds, permamute them on all but pr (they'll make alts otherwise)

This is m'y final 2cents, you know i mean well and that im right as usual, i Hope you find the lucidity to aknowledge and do thé right things

I do appreciate your advice, even though I'm not following it in this specific case. I still respect the fact that you have always been able to tell me when you think I'm wrong, in a way that's rational and well-intentioned. I guess we'll see what the future brings.

Kirjutas 77TENGRI99, 16.04.2025 at 17:24

Only made for fani and lauf
(i been to some dc servers like this )

I don't always agree with you Tengri but at least you make way better meme videos

(this one is kinda accurate tbh)

Kirjutas Epixepiste, 16.04.2025 at 16:24

Dave, I understand your position and the frustration over what happened, but I hope you'll reconsider. While Lion made a poor decision years ago, I believe the community is better with him than without. It's not worth dwelling indefinitely on a single, admittedly stupid mistake—especially one made so long ago. I don't know exactly what was lost on Discord, but I find it hard to believe any of the content was so vital that it warrants a permanent ban. And with all due respect, if it was truly vital, Discord might not have been the best place to store it.

I recall you mentioning a background in criminal justice buried in the forums of that other thread. Given that, I imagine you'd agree that while some actions can't be undone, that doesn't mean a person is beyond redemption. What matters is whether they're willing to make things right and contribute positively going forward. From what I've seen, Lion was one of the few who actively supported others, helped newcomers, and added real value to the community. I genuinely believe his return would have a more positive impact than the status quo.

Dave, I believe that if you do care for Atwar, a good way to have the community stay healthy is to have people like Lion be a part of it.

I hear you, I do.

Kirjutas Epixepiste, 16.04.2025 at 16:24

It might even get the more noisy people to stop spamming you to unban truly troublesome people for maybe an afternoon

This though.... the more people spam me the less I want to do it. I don't want anything I do to be perceived as rewarding their bad behavior!

Kirjutas dave is fat, 16.04.2025 at 14:56

Pro tip to dave

kill urself

I'm leaving this one here just so everyone can see the level of intelligent argument we have to deal with

Kirjutas tempthesavior, 16.04.2025 at 14:25

HE DID NOTHING WRONG

dude you got a ban from Brianwl of all people, and he never bans anybody. You have nothing to say. Go back to your ban

Kirjutas Epixepiste, 16.04.2025 at 12:23

He was always kind and is the only banned player that can justifiably be unbanned. He was kind enough to show me a ton of tricks in atwar when I was still learning, and overall, he was a great person to play scens with every time I interacted with him. I don't know the full drama other than him deleting a Discord server, but I don't think a permanent ban is justified. It's genuinely been years, and he's almost certainly the type to not be a repeat offender or toxic.

Lion is likely the only player the scenario community cares about.

PS: Don't ban me, I don't care about comp players drama, or really atwar forums in general.

Lion apologized which I appreciated, but that's not enough. He needs to make us whole. I said he could come back if he restored the content he deleted from Discord. Of course that's impossible since there was no backup (and he should have thought about this before he did it!)

So here we are, he apologized but we still haven't been made whole. Unless he can think of some other way to compensate us for the damage he caused, he's never coming back.

I would just give up hope of ever seeing your friend Lion on here again.

Okay, I've let this go on long enough.

There is apparently an alternate reality existing within the AW community built on lies and misunderstandings, and I'm blaming Waffel for spreading it. It's predictable, every time I tell him "here are the facts, X, Y, and Z", he twists it to mean the opposite and throws it back with a bunch of lies and other bullshit. atWar has enough problems already, we really don't need a guy like that "poisoning the well" deliberately. I'm pretty sure he's doing it just for the sake of the drama. He cannot possibly be serious or believe his own BS.

So I've gone ahead and deleted and device-banned Waffel's alt. Since his main acc had an existing ban in place, he should not have been here posting on an alt, and I should not have allowed him to do it for so long. I'm going to follow AW policy on this one moving forward.

For those of you who may believe Waffel's warped reality and/or don't like what I'm doing, I invite you to delete your accounts yourselves. Here's how to do it:

1) go to your user profile, click Edit Profile:



2) scroll to the bottom and click "Delete Account":



If anyone else wants to actually discuss this topic with me please feel free to do so -- as long as you keep it respectful and factual you can disagree with me all you want. I don't ban people over differences of opinion. I will however ban rude/disrespectful behavior, and especially any significant efforts to lie to the AW community as was the case here.

Kirjutas Palmitas, 16.04.2025 at 04:07

I have an idea that will be a good change and it is not hard to implement with the current code: Make World Map 2.0 free for non-prems to host. I'm sure that will give a sort of refreshing vibe for them and they will play a bit more (should be announced since otherwise they prob won't find out as they don't use the forums as much as prems) It prob takes like 2 seconds too so i think it will be a good change.

Um, it IS free for non-prems to host, always has been. What are you talking about?

Kirjutas Palmitas, 16.04.2025 at 02:51

The fact that out of everything the video said, you only choose to acknowledge the ending is wild to me

Well the whole thing is obviously ridiculous, what do you want me to say? If this is the stuff you guys actually believe, then you are so far detached from reality nothing I say will help you.

Kirjutas Eagle, 15.04.2025 at 02:33

Thank you Waffel for this post, its been a fun read honestly. Gave me a reason to log in daily just to see how this will unravel.
Back in 2021, as far as I remember, most of the permabans were discussed in the discord between Dave and us mods before any action was taken, and I myself supported most of them (such as Bugs and Lion), and I don't think those people should return. The only person I strongly objected, and still do (Dave remembers, we spent a few hours discussing it) was banning Lao, who for me is in the top 3/5 most respectful and skill-wise players this game has seen. I really don't know/remember how they managed to piss off each other so much, but it was an isolated incident.
But I agree with Waffel, 3/4 years has passed since the whole "dropping the hammer" scenario has happened, and I an 99% sure that not all the players who were deleted/permabanned back then do not deserve to come back.
So instead of dragging this topic further, maybe we should make a list of all the players who were deleted/permabanned and want to come back, and we review their cases in the staff discord channel.
@Dave I am sure we can manage that. As I can see, you yourself don't remember all the bans (like Waffel), and I am sure there are a couple of more.
In case of Waffel, I honestly don't see how he could drive new players away from this game. He is usually just an annoyance, but only to the people he knows. I don't see a scenario where he comes up to a beginner and starts spamming him, nor is he the one to post vulgar things in room/global channels.

I'm totally fine with us reviewing case-by-case. I even said that earlier in this thread...

I think it would be good for somebody to make a list of exactly which players they are talking about. Because I know we didn't ban that many people overall... and I'm pretty sure we're getting blamed for people who deleted their own accounts, or went inactive on their own, or whatever. Off the top of my head there's only maybe 5(?) people who can never come back. It would be interesting to go down the list and see who everyone is actually talking about.

The thing with Waffel, I'm leaning towards banning him again because he's definitely making up a lot of lies and bullshit. He's probably spreading all that false crap to others and causing even more drama, which makes the community problem even worse. But we can discuss that more in private.

Kirjutas YourSphinx, 14.04.2025 at 22:44

This data is absolute garbage clovis and you look like a clown posting it. Relevant data would be something like total games played in main lobby, not a compilation of, the clicks of alts, forum visits, bots and passthrough user traffic.

That graph only counts players in games (or in lobbies). It does not include forums or bots or anything else. (I'm not sure this is central to the argument, but I just like to be accurate about data, it's my thing...)

Kirjutas YourSphinx, 14.04.2025 at 22:44

Alas you come back, had a resentful, slave, freak moment by demoting lao, disappeared for awhile and returned to speed run your reputation destruction even further. It's frankly gross and inhuman. The mystique of the tournament winner, high elo, epic clan leader is gone and a hollow shell of a cultural marxist remains. Lao was always right, you're always on the wrong side of everything.

I wasn't around for the Clovis v Lao thing, that happened before my time. But what I do know is that Lao is a total asshole, while Clovis is a genuinely good human being. Lao was demoted for reasons, I don't even know the whole story, but I'm sure it had something to do with the fact that he's such an asshole. I'm definitely gonna take Clovis' side on this one.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 14.04.2025 at 13:40

You, me, the whole goddamn game knows, that this is the period where Dave decided to change the datalogs of online players, and included literally everything into one pile: Online players.

I have not changed how online players are counted. That graph Clovis screenshotted is from a tool created by Amok that I have never made any changes to.

Please stop making up lies.

Kirjutas Metyu, 14.04.2025 at 11:56

"Online or offline, respect matters."

Do you realize that if your friends had acted with even a little respect towards the staff and the rest of the community.... none of them would have been banned?

Like, do you even hear yourself and what you're saying right now?

Kirjutas Lev Davidovic, 14.04.2025 at 11:24

I really pray that the game as a whole is not hopeless aswell, but owner ignoring feedbacks suggest otherwise. I still don't understand what is the danger in unbanning people that are not hackers, without making them moderators or vice-president-whatever. I don't understand it because in 7 pages of thread it has not been said once. It has been said that low activity is better then bad activity (where I agree), but it hasnt been written what is exaclty this "bad". Is it farming or unsposrtmanship? We had it, we will always have it. Is it toxicity? Well, read above Dave, you will never get rid of that, unless you bann everyone that speaks, including and espetially your subordinates.

I'm not ignoring anybody as you can see from my numerous replies to this thread (well, except Waffel, because he's irrational). I *hear* you all, the thing is, I just don't *agree* with this "unban them all" argument. I've spelled out my reasons over and over. Just because you don't like my answer, don't pretend that I'm not listening. It doesn't matter how loud or how often you guys repeat the same old arguments. Those arguments have been rejected. It's time to accept this is what we're doing and lets move on.

To answer your question -- what is the danger in unbanning people? They problem is they're toxic.

Toxic people create an environment that pushes good players, and especially new players, away. This makes our already existing retention problem worse, not better.

That's the whole reason we're doing this. I've been saying this over and over.

Kirjutas Nanoknight, 14.04.2025 at 05:47

Tsiteeri:

So if you're going to refer to any criminal laws, either do it right or don't forget to mention that you're referring to the criminal law systems of dictatorial regimes, because according to your own words, you clearly don't believe in any democratic values in this game.

> Forms mobs that chases away new players
> Complains about democratic values not being upheld
Me: ?

100%

Kirjutas Grand Inquisitor, 14.04.2025 at 05:06

Every month there is a New bug that makes playing worse, but when clovis needs a turn reset, thats then prio number 1.

Yeah because Clovis isn't a dick, I'm more motivated to help him out!

Kirjutas Nanoknight, 14.04.2025 at 04:28

Meh you guys are all delusional, I can speak for myself, I only stayed because of persistence and atWar's uniqueness and I like maps, especially the custom scenarios, if I wasn't persistent I would've left after rank 6, since the community definitely is a problem and it is also a reason I hesitate to recommend atWar from other turn based browser games (which I won't even mention so they don't get brigaded/hacked/DDoSed, lol, that's how bad atWar "community" is)
I maybe got a few people make a new account or guest account here but I'm sure most of them didn't stick around.
It is also a large reason I take big breaks, there's just "greener pastures" than here, even if not having exactly the same mechanics.

1 slight criticism I might have is in the future direction, either make this entirely "family-friendly", or not, and also a complete theme makeover and relatively cheap promotional campaigns can be done over the internet.
Adding AI (at least rules based AI) and quality of life features such as rally points alongside the existing auto recruit, would come a long way.

Maybe also a map editor overhaul, to make it less hard to make maps, with a GUI integrated scripting system? Nowadays it isn't too hard to accomplish such.

Appreciate the comment and I agree with you

About future direction, unfortunately even the smallest changes are incredibly painful to make here on AW due to the poor state of the code. I've been trying to untangle it for years and feel like I've still barely scratched the surface. I think a total re-build from scratch would make things so much easier. Keep the idea and the mechanics but totally rewrite the code. If I did it though I would give it a new name and launch it as if it were its own totally new thing... I wouldn't tell anyone in the AW community about it because I wouldn't want the awful community to spread to the new platform!

Kirjutas Weisser Wolf, 13.04.2025 at 19:52

Dave, I hope you don't ignore this post and I really hope I don't end up banned for expressing my opinion regarding this. If what you want is to remove all traces of toxicity, the competitive community are by far not the most toxic, in the casual scene there are also and it's even worse as you get banned just for winning a game or for not sticking to their "rules" which in reality they are not.

My specific point is, "toxicity", as Khauman rightly said is an inherent part of the game, it's not just part of the competitive scene. And it will always be something associated to this kind of games, I give an example: Conflict of Nations, a pay per win game that always ends in a rain of insults to the one who allies to the "whales" (that's what they call there to the players who invest money to win faster) and they don't ban the players for that, maybe at most a warn but in that game they generally only ban for exploiting bugs.

Even in the era when RP games dominated atwar there was some healthy toxicity between those who allied or attacked, so I refuse to believe that you are willing to eliminate the competitive part of the game, being that there have even been cases of players of other types of games here at atwar who have played competitive or have reinforced their learning curve by playing it.

I hope this post won't go away ignored.

Your point is well taken. There seems to be this misconception that I want to turn atWar into some politically-correct toxic-free safe space. I don't want that. I never have. There's nothing wrong with some "healthy toxicity' (I like that phrase, I'm gonna use it if you don't mind). Passion runs deep, tempers flare, that's normal. The outbursts can be entertaining to watch, even for me. And I really don't care what words people use -- nigger, cunt, fuck, whatever... they're all just words. What matters is the context.

I originally set out on this campaign against toxicity to 1) make the AW environment a little more friendly towards newbies, so they'll stay around more, and 2) make the forums a little more intelligent and respectful, and therefore more interesting to participate in. It's not about the "healthy toxicity" between people who know each other and have some sort of rapport. It's about the truly awful people we had hanging around who would say just the worst things to people (I'm not gonna name names because I don't want to summon them, but I'm sure you can imagine who I'm referring to). Why would anyone be against this kind of reform?

Well anyway we started with mutes and that largely didn't work, because people would just make new accounts to continue spewing. So we progressed to bans. That didn't work much better. So now we've moved on to deleting people permanently. Plus IP bans and device bans and other things. We'll do whatever we have to do until people get the point.

And then there's the issue of disrespecting my staff and myself. That was something I didn't expect, but at some point the effort to clean up AW spawned these personal vendettas against me and my staff. I will not tolerate it. I will defend my staff (and myself) the same way I defend my employees of my other businesses from disrespectful customers. I have gladly thrown customers out before, and I will do it again whenever necessary. Thankfully it doesn't happen too often, maybe because people behave themselves a little better in real life. But here on atWar, behind the safety of a keyboard, people attack us like crazy. If they do, they should prepare to get deleted and banned.

I don't mind if people express opinions I disagree with; I don't mind if people criticize me; I don't care if people don't like me. That's all fine as far as I'm concerned. But I will never accept people being rude or disrespectful to my staff or myself. Not in my own "house" as it were.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 19:28

Could you come online and talk about this instead of putting words in my mouth and making up assumptions and accusations? And you're saying that I'm being combative..

No Waffel, I've already wasted too much time on your silly drama. Here I am making the same mistake again of spending too much time talking to the community. I'm going to go off and do real work now. Read my words and understand them -- or don't. There's nothing more I can say.

Okay I'm going to help you translate your Waffel-speak into understandable sentences:

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

Kirjutas Dave, 11.04.2025 at 03:03

I still haven't read all your posts because its too much. Can you tell me in like 2-3 sentences what exactly you want from me?

Like most people in this thread have already commented, I would like for you to reconsider all of that was mentioned and undelete/unban all of the players that got effected during the 2021 stuff, including those that you don't see eye to eye with. Perhaps it's even better to just completely reset all of the bans and to just stop with the destructive anti-toxicity crusade and regimes and muting/banning/deleting players over petty little things like minor insults or calling others pussy (like the boywind case). Only ban players for like hacking/exploiting (serious) bugs, not some bullshit i.e. ''abuse'', and NEVER EVER permanently ban & delete players.

Waffel: Please unban everybody and please don't delete players.

Dave: No. I'm going straight to deleting players a lot more often now, because clearly the years of bans/mutes haven't been working.

And I have no idea what you're talking about but that's not why I deleted boywind.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

I think it's agreed upon by the vast majority of the players in this community that the activity and playerbase got to this state due to mostly your staffmembers and the way the whole funpart of this game has been heavily moderated and restricted/censored. So I would propose to remove players from your staffteam that are/were responsible for that and to further stop destroying the game as it is. There is nothing wrong with a bit of innocent banter and fun-toxicity, it's something that has always been a part of this game and almost never went to extreme lengths.

Waffel: Please remove staff members I don't like.

Dave: I assume that's a reference to Sid? Regardless I have no intentions of removing any staff members. They are not the problem, they are a great benefit to the game.

When you say "it's agreed upon by the vast majority of the players in this community", you are undoubtedly talking about the comp community -- the 1% I referred to in my previous post. They are the problem here, not the victims. The true vast majority of atWar players has no problem with the staff, and to be honest probably aren't even aware this silly drama is happening.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

So I would propose: start with the removal of Sid from your staffteam as a first step 1, something that you actually should've already done in 2021 when everyone within the community and most of your staffteam told you to do so. Because now years later, he hasn't even been actively involved with the game after he'd literally ripped apart our community in 2021 and he basically turned his back on the game and never returned again. That should really tell you something about all of the things we've said about him now and back then.

Waffel: I hate Sid. Please remove him.

Dave: See, I knew you were talking about Sid before I even read this part. The answer is no. Sid is a good guy, and as far as I can see he's done nothing wrong. (Other than maybe being a little busy now with his real life? So what.)

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

I wouldn't even be surprised that after all the unbans and the game probably becoming more active again, that he would most likely return back to the game immediately and try to dictate his own views and opinions once again. So I think it's better not to give him that chance again.

Waffel: I hate Sid.

Dave: Sheesh, enough already.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 18:02

And if you're really not willing to do any of the things said above, and actually still hold on to your own ego and stubbornness, I think the only thing that would be left is for you to perhaps find someone to sell the game to that would actually love see this game thrive again and whom would wholeheartedly listen to his players and community.

Waffel: If you don't agree with me, it's because of your ego and stubbornness.

Dave: I don't agree with you and it has nothing to do with ego or stubbornness. I have responded to you and lots of other people in this thread to explain my reasons. If you aren't willing to listen, that's on you.

Also I'm not selling atWar, so you can forget about that idea already. I would love to see the game thrive again just like anyone else, but I will pursue that in my own way when I have time. Until then, enjoy the silly time capsule that this place is.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 17:39

Look Dave, I appreciate you sharing that screenshot of my history, for the sake of transparency and owning up to being in the wrong here. Makes you wonder how right I am about all the other things I've mentioned and claimed in my posts before hehe..

I knew you were going to say that. I give an inch, you take a mile. My only interest is in speaking precisely, and accurately. If I'm wrong, I correct myself. Otherwise, I'm not wrong.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 17:39

All jokes aside though (I wasn't joking tbh), it also makes you wonder how much of all these bans/deleting/archiving of players their accounts and their threads/posts, and basically all the personal vendetta's/conflicts between players and staffteam members are perhaps (maybe not all of them) based on miscommunications like this, or wrong impressions/jumping to wrong conclusions or even blatant lies and/or misconceptions, and perhaps all of that only escalated further and further and ended up like we are here right now.

Most, I'm sure.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 13.04.2025 at 17:39

Kirjutas Dave, 11.04.2025 at 02:56

I still don't remember why I deleted your account, but oh well. You must have annoyed me

You got mad because of all the posts/threads, and some of the staffmembers and Sid constantly causing more discussions and shit on the discords and within the community, and decided to just ban all of us for the sake of making all of the ''drama'' disappear. Which is what caused the domino effect of most people that disagreed with the bannings to eventually leave the game and most of them never returning.

I don't think Sid or any other staff members caused those issues, we were always only reacting to you guys. But the rest of your statement sounds about right, I'm not going to argue with it.

Kirjutas Dave, 11.04.2025 at 02:56

I still think banning people for something small like that was a really bad judgement call of yours and the fact that after all these years, you still claim that you don't regret banning and deleting people and that you actually regret not doing it faster, is what makes a lot of people that commented on this thread lose all hope on this game, which would most likely even result in more of the remaining players leaving the game and probably never return again.

Agree to disagree. And anyway I'm very close to doing another wave of deletions, and if I do it will be much bigger than 2021 was. I have studied the numbers (I'm a data guy after all) and mathematically it's a very small percentage (<1%) of active atWar players who cause 99% of the drama and problems. I would very much like to weed them out once and for all.

The 1% (I'll call them this for ease of argument, not to inflate their egos any further) like to think they are the only active players on atWar. They are almost all comp players. They almost completely ignore all other communities and types of atWar players. There are a ton of casual players, for example, who have always been there playing the game quietly and not causing drama. Deleting the 1% won't hurt us at all in the other communities, and it would benefit us in other ways. For example there is a steady stream of new players all the time who COULD be nurtured and mentored, rather than stomped on by the 1%. I've been talking about this and the retention problem in general for a long time, but nobody in the 1% seemed to listen. For them, if there isn't a CW going on at any given moment, then the "game is dead" and there's absolutely nothing else here of value. It's a very narrow view of atWar.

I would be totally fine with deleting the entire comp community, maybe even removing CWs and Duels as options. At one time I did invest a bunch of time trying to make them happy, to no avail. Now I've concluded that whole area is nothing but trouble. I really am fine with the idea of atWar being forums with a casual game attached to it.

Kirjutas Moepius, 12.04.2025 at 10:38

So people are just crying to unban toxic assholes as always, nice. The community is half the reason why this game is dying. ^^

100%

Kirjutas Moepius, 12.04.2025 at 10:38

But what are the actual plans for the future @Dave? I remember that I enjoyed playing for a while but since I'm not that obsessed with this game like others here, I think there should be some valid reasons for old players to try some casual games again or lurk some new folks in here.
Last games I played were with an alt to be able to join the beginners lobby ... casual players kinda always loose against the 5 active players around here and also 99% of the quick games are there, whgich are more fun imho.
Sth. like bots to play solo with and try out strategies would be cool, more fast paced games that can be used for social media etc. and don't take 2hrs to finish (or more than a week for the long games).

All future plans are on hold. There will be no more development of atWar until such time as my schedule changes and allows me time to work on it again. I'm keeping it running as is. I'm not selling it. That's it. (I'm not trying to be mean, just being brutally honest...)

Kirjutas Kaska, 12.04.2025 at 03:05

In terms of public relations This thread is a disaster, aye

I think it's been a good opportunity for people to vent their frustrations. Hopefully we can move on now.

Kirjutas Waffelo, 10.04.2025 at 22:01

About the discord matter. After reading your post yesterday, I decided it would be better to talk things over instead of endlessly posting back and forth on the forums and getting ignored by you for most parts anyway, so I logged on (because I noticed you were online), but I couldn't reach you in time to talk things out in game. So I tried to PM you, but apparently you turned off that possibility as well because apparently only people on your friendlist are able to send you messages now, which only left me one option: to contact you on Discord. I reached out to you on discord because (like said in my previous posts), that's where our last conversation happened. I noticed you were online, so I first send you a message ''You there?''. After 5 minutes I noticed you still hadn't responded, so I followed up with ''or you just gonna ignore me now''? (https://prnt.sc/jJgRaxNp73Eu, timestamps to prove it).

My god you're like a needy girlfriend.... yes my Discord showed "online" because I was at my computer but I was working and talking to other people. When I finally opened your message I saw the whole "you there or are you gonna ignore me" thing (whatever you said) and thought "fuck this, I'm not dealing with that." Maybe if you calmed the fuck down and gave me time to respond you'd get a better response from me.

I still haven't read all your posts because its too much. Can you tell me in like 2-3 sentences what exactly you want from me?

Kirjutas Waffelo, 10.04.2025 at 22:00

Hi Dave, how are you?

I am actually shocked of the things that I'm reading right now. I reached out to you on Discord after reading one of your posts and was interested in talking things out with you, because I remember in the past that we used to talk a lot, about a lot of different matters, especially concerning the bans/deletions of certain players in the past (because I've always been against permbanning & deleting players, no matter the shit they've done, because this community is small and fragile and things like that only cause more damage in my opinion. Any person that knows me or just searches for any of my posts, knows that's true).

You've always claimed to value my opinion and advice highly, especially on matters you didn't know how to handle, and I was always willing to help you with certain things. All of that however started to change when I became vocal about certain things that in my opinion started to destroy the very essence of this game and it's community. So perhaps you could understand that it came as a shock to me, and many of the other banned/deleted players, when you deleted/banned all of our accounts AFTER you've literally allowed all of us to openly discuss the matters on the forums back in november 2021. And I'm actually deeply dissapointed that now, 4 years laters, you're kind of doing the exact same thing as you did back in november 2021 and with that creating a precedent that apparently caring about the game and posting, discussing and sharing your opinions about problematic things within this game is a bannable offence as of now.

You've claimed multiple times in this thread that you don't remember banning me, eventhough I've explained and described all of the things that happened at the time very thoroughly and detailed in many of my posts already (posts that you claimed were TLDR), and now you're even willing to go as far as claiming that it was Sid that permbanned me, and that you're thinking about ''respecting the policy'', which you and I both know, with all due respect, isn't truthful at all. Sid banned me for 30 days for calling him incompetent in march 2021 (never permanently) and YOU deleted my account (and all of the others as well) in november 2021 for creating that thread. This is exactly what it says so in my history, and I've seen the screenshots of it like that back in 2021 myself. For the sake of transparency, I would politely and respectfully ask you to please share a screenshot of the mentioned two events on my history, because I know for a fact that it says Sid banned me for 30 days in march 2021, and you deleted my account in november 2021.

So Dave, in all honesty, I really don't know why you're portraying things so differently right now? Given all of the things that has happened over the years, and the way you're talking about me and responding to this thread right now, the only reason I could think of is for you to try and get rid of me once and for all and erasing my whole existence on this game for simply giving you a hard time in this thread and telling you certain things most of the people on this game are afraid to tell you (they don't want to risk get banned/muted/deletd) and things you probably don't like to hear, eventhough that has been the very essence of our ''relationship'' from the very start. You've always said that you'd rather hear the raw truth instead of things being sugarcoated.

I stand corrected about 1 fact -- I guess it WAS actually me who deleted your account. I must have gotten confused looking at some other account. But yes yours is as you said:



I still don't remember why I deleted your account, but oh well. You must have annoyed me

I apologize for having misspoken. At least you can't say I don't correct myself when I'm wrong about some fact.