Why is Russia better without USSR

Many say modern Russia is weaker than USSR, taking in consideration territory and population Soviets had, but ignoring few crucial facts:



- Baltic posses no valuable resource while Russia posses almost all planetary resources in the value estimated $70,000 billion dollars. Baltic in USSR had right on exploiting and consuming Siberian resources and Russia had no right to stop them. But modern Russia have right to stop them since it is independent country and allow Baltic to consume Siberian resources only if they pay the price Russia dictate.

- Baltic population is anti-russian which mean in case of war there would be more baltic natives joining invaders than Russian Army. Like it already happened twice in one century. Independent Russia have no obligations of recruiting, training and equiping baltic natives, while in the same time, if Baltic attack or support invasion, Russia have right to occupy Baltic prosecute criminal regime and even take territory as compensation according international law for human losses Baltic inflicted in the invasion.

- Ukraine is a very large country with population consuming alot. In USSR Russia would be forced to build and fund Ukraine like they did after WWII when 90% of Ukraine was destroyed by the nazis. If communists didn't take Russian resources to rebuild Ukraine, they would be Mozambique of Europe today.

- Remnants of nazism still lies in Ukrainian population as observed in the past year (Kiev coup, nazis in power, invasion of Donbass, genocide of Russians) which mean it would create problems for Russia like terrorism. Independent Russia doesn't have such problem as it is easier to stop Ukrainian terrorists from sneaking in.

- Georgia is rebellious and gives dictators and mass murderers every once in a while. By gaining independence from them means those dictators won't reach Moscow, but will stay in Tbilisi.

- Caucasus except Azerbaijan posses no significant (strategic) resource and need to import in order to consume, which mean they had advantage in USSR by not paying tariffs or market price for Siberian resources. Independent Russia decide freely tariffs and price in order to make profit by selling resources.

- Population of Soviet Central Asia is growing too fast, consuming space, land and resources. With harsh desert conditions and no good education background they become unemployed, which leaves room for radicalism and extremism and result in terrorism. Russia would need enormous energy and resource spending to build infrastructure, schools, hospitals and jobs in Middle Asia in order to keep them developing, which is not good as you would have to spend your own resources and time on others.

- Middle Asia posses significant resource in form of gas and oil, but only in Turkmenistan(gas) and Kazakhstan(oil) while Uzbekistan, Kirgizia and Tajikistian posses insignificant amount of gold. Russia already buy Turkmen gas and re-sell it in Europe for more price while Kazakhstan is Russian ally and member of the EEU(Eurasian Economic Union) so they can buy cheap and in the same time sell cheap resources to Russia, safe market no risk.

- Belarus is average country, friendly to Russia but with no significant strategic resource and depends on import. By gaining independence from them, Russia can sell them resources for price it wants. Belarus is ally of Russia and member of the EEU so they have safe market for their products. In the same time - they mediate for Russia in Europe since Europe sanctioned Russia. Russia gives them money to buy products it need in Europe, Europe think that's for Belarus and sell, Belarus buys and transfer to Russia and take a cut. Good business, sanctions bypassed. If Belarus was part of USSR that mean Europe would sanction them too so no one would make profit.

- Russians in USSR comprised 50% of the total population. In Russia, Russians comprise 80%, which is a guarantee for the future wars and crisis. Fact is that not many non-Russians deserted Red Army in WWII as they were aware nazis would kill them all if they surrender, lose or switch sides. But nothing is sure with new generations where moral and ethics are uknown. As we've seen in Yugoslav Civil War, Libyan Civil War and Syrian Civil War, America easily divided and made various ethnic groups fight each other in a bloody-doesnt-make-sense-not-necessary-wars. With one dominant ethnic group in a country, it is easier to defend and fight against the invader as you would have numbers on your side and other ethnic groups will be too weak and few in numbers to perform sabotage or terrorism in order to slow you down and give advantage to invader.

- By gaining independence from them, Russia is free of responsibility for their ecological and economical failures, obsolete military and technology. In fact that gives them incentive and encouragement to work more so they can buy Russian(or any other) resources and technology, which is a win-win situation.

Russia is noob without putin

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

With one dominant ethnic group in a country, it is easier to defend and fight against the invader as you would have numbers on your side and other ethnic groups will be too weak and few in numbers to perform sabotage or terrorism in order to slow you down and give advantage to invader.

wtf did i just read....

Kirjutas Tundy, 08.12.2015 at 13:41

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

With one dominant ethnic group in a country, it is easier to defend and fight against the invader as you would have numbers on your side and other ethnic groups will be too weak and few in numbers to perform sabotage or terrorism in order to slow you down and give advantage to invader.

wtf did i just read....

The truth?

Just read the history and find out how most of the problems comes when there are marked distinctions between the people such as ethics, culture, etc.

By all mean not saying diversity isn't bad. You just have to pick the right class of people and you can get it to work just as nice as in New York, London, or even Buenos Aires. On the other hand, an uncontrolled diversity will just get you problems <Insert Balkans ethnics here>, heavy differences between states <Insert U.S Civil War argument here > and at the worst, when nationalism takes the power on a country with different ethnics, stuff such as the Yugoslavians wars happens.

This is just for not name the problem with migrations that most of the countries have (Like mine, all the active work population is migrating to the U.S and all the poor, uneducated Haitians are comming here.....).

I never thought I would say this,
but I missed Tito.

I WAS COMMENTING ON THIS FOR 30 MINUTES AND IT HAS THROWN ME OUT FROM FORUMS BY SAYING 'THIS TOPIC DOES NOT EXIST' ...................................

Kirjutas Croat, 08.12.2015 at 20:43

I WAS COMMENTING ON THIS FOR 30 MINUTES AND IT HAS THROWN ME OUT FROM FORUMS BY SAYING 'THIS TOPIC DOES NOT EXIST' ...................................

IKR

Good to see Tito is back, he provides a different perspective

Kirjutas Covid19, 08.12.2015 at 13:21

Russia is noob without putin

That is correct. Russian Federation inherited from USSR advanced military and backwarded economy which by the end of 1999 (after 1998 russian financial crisis) made Russia third world country.

1 million Russians were leaving the country every year while birthrates fell for 50% and deathrate went up for 50%. New 'NEPmen' were created as a ruling class, the notorious oligarchs who occupied state-owned companies (left by USSR) and sold/run them as their own private property, making billions of dollars and dictating the russian economy. Human need to own large sacks between his legs to try and fix things in Russia, and it seems Putin have them since he is the only one.. who survived.. the confrontation with the russian nobility of the 21st century - the oligarchs.

Oligarchs and their corporations are one of the reasons (if not the only one) Russians dislike capitalism as ideology. We see capitalism brought wealth to the West, but in Russia capitalism did everything communists told endless times during USSR, worker exploitation, long hours, abuse at workplace, sexism at workplace, racism at workplace. Now that form of capitalism started to appear on the West as well.

Russia will be fine if people continue to combat nobilities, whatever form they take (nobles, nomenklatura, beaurocracy, oligarchs). Just good leader is needed, without the middlemen.

Putin is kind of equivalent of american president Frank Roosevelt.

Turned from communism to despotism tito?

I have had really hard week,thank you, I really need something to laugh at.

Kirjutas Black Swans, 10.12.2015 at 13:43

I have had really hard week,thank you, I really need something to laugh at.

just look at the mirror. if the photons dont evaporate by your ugly force and actually bounce off your face and into the mirror you will get to see it. thats sure to bring out some laughs.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

Many say modern Russia is weaker than USSR, taking in consideration territory and population Soviets had, but ignoring few crucial facts:

Umm, I don't think so. Let's see.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- Baltics posses no valuable resource while Russia posses almost all planetary resources in the value estimated $70,000 billion dollars. Baltic in USSR had right on exploiting and consuming Siberian resources and Russia had no right to stop them. But modern Russia have right to stop them since it is independent country and allow Baltic to consume Siberian resources only if they pay the price Russia dictate.

You did not precise which resources we are talking about. Anyways, Baltics posses certain resources, sure they cannot be compared with Russian ones (especially Siberian), but the fact they exist is unchangable. Valuable or not, they exist and it can't impact negatively on Russia.

Another thing, it is funny to make a comparison between resources of three little countries (Latvia, Lithuana, Estonia) with resources of the biggest world country.
All three Baltic countries are taking just 180 000 square kilometers and if we compare it with 17 000 000 square kilometers of Russia, how the hell you can expect an extra valuable resources in Baltics as Russian ones are?
I agree on the last thing about Baltics consumption of Russian resources. Since they are independent countries (same as Russia), they should pay a price Russia dictates. Nothing special here to say.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- Baltic population is anti-russian which mean in case of war there would be more baltic natives joining invaders than Russian Army. Like it already happened twice in one century. Independent Russia have no obligations of recruiting, training and equiping baltic natives, while in the same time, if Baltic attack or support invasion, Russia have right to occupy Baltic prosecute criminal regime and even take territory as compensation according international law for human losses Baltic inflicted in the invasion.

Here we see a school example of contradiction.
During WWII, you had Latvian, Estionian and Baltics natives in Waffen-SS formations who fought against USSR, but we couldn't see a realisation identical as you said.

- 5th SS armored division (Estionians)
- 14th SS mechanized division (Latvians)
- 19th SS mechanized division (Latvians)

And what is best here, you had Russians foughting against Russia (USSR) in Waffen-SS (also Russian 'friends' from Belarus). That was:
- 30th SS mechanized division (made mostly of Russian and Belarus soldiers)

By your logic, that means Russia should occupy itself (Russia), prosecute criminal regime and even take its territory as compensation according international law for human losses Russia inflicted in the invasion.
Pretty silly, isn't it?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- Ukraine is a very large country with population consuming alot. In USSR Russia would be forced to build and fund Ukraine like they did after WWII when 90% of Ukraine was destroyed by the nazis. If communists didn't take Russian resources to rebuild Ukraine, they would be Mozambique of Europe today.

If you read this 'crucial fact'again, you will probably notice how you spoke about Ukraine like it is 100% dependent of Russian industry, etc..
Dude, Ukraine is exporting almost 70 billion $ and importing about 84 billion $.
With about -14 billion $ of import-export difference, it is pretty good standing if we compare it with European nations, and especially if we compare it with the rest of world countries. So, please stop making it look like Russia is keeping Ukraine on life.
I agree they are dependent of Russia in that area, but surely not as much as you want to display here.

Also, what you want to say by last sentence? Seems like only Russian communists were using Russian resources

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

Elements of nazism still lies in Ukrainian population as observed in the past year (Kiev coup, nazis in power, invasion of Donbass, genocide of Russians) which mean it would create problems for Russia like terrorism. Independent Russia doesn't have such problem as it is easier to stop Ukrainian terrorists from sneaking in.

Nice to see how you are rotating lies and trying to place them as truth same as you were trying with Croatia and it's Independence war, but sorry, not while I am here.

Winston Churchill once said:
'Fascists of the 21st century will be antifascists'

He was right.
93% of Ukraine is living in peace, solidarity and togetherness.
while 7% of Ukraine is invided by Russian terrorists who caused a pointless war and victims.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- Georgia is rebellious and gives dictators and mass murderers every once in a while. By gaining independence from them means those dictators won't reach Moscow, but will stay in Tbilisi.

Compare all Georgian dictators and mass murderers just with one Russian dictator and mass murderer (J.V.Stalin).
Well, now it seems like Georgians are little mice in comparison with him.
I don't even want to mention other Russian dictators, not only during World wars, but during whole the history.
Last sentence is just funny because it is pointless as fuck. Stop posting just to post something, try thinking about what are you posting.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- Caucasus except Azerbaijan posses no significant (strategic) resource and need to import in order to consume, which mean they had advantage in USSR by not paying tariffs or market price for Siberian resources. Independent Russia decide freely tariffs and price in order to make profit by selling resources.

What is bad for Russia here?

If they are importing, but not paying tariffs or market price doesn't mean Russia doesn't have benefits from it.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- Population of Soviet Central Asia is growing too fast, consuming space, land and resources. With harsh desert conditions and no good education background they become unemployed, which leaves room for radicalism and extremism and result in terrorism. Russia would need enormous energy and resource spending to build infrastructure, schools, hospitals and jobs in Middle Asia in order to keep them developing, which is not good as you would have to spend your own resources and time on others.

I agree education and unemployment are problem there, but again, talking like Russia is healthy dad who is carrying his poor children on life is silly. Russian impact on SCA's school, education, hospitals and employment was minimal during USSR, so I can't agree this is crucial fact why is Russua better without the rest of USSR.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- Middle Asia posses significant resource in form of gas and oil, but only in Turkmenistan(gas) and Kazakhstan(oil) while Uzbekistan, Kirgizia and Tajikistian posses insignificant amount of gold. Russia already buy Turkmen gas and re-sell it in Europe for more price while Kazakhstan is Russian ally and member of the EEU(Eurasian Economic Union) so they can buy cheap and in the same time sell cheap resources to Russia, safe market no risk.

Nothing negative for Russia here

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

Belarus..
Russia gives them money to buy products it need in Europe, Europe think that's for Belarus and sell, Belarus buys and transfer to Russia and take a cut. Good business, sanctions bypassed. If Belarus was part of USSR that mean Europe would sanction them too so no one would make profit.

You think Putin is retarded because he is taking EU products through Belarus and avoiding sanctions, while Belarus is just taking a cut? It is just a compromise between 2 friendly countries, everyone are satisfied.
I thought you were more wise than this.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.12.2015 at 13:12

- By gaining independence from them, Russia is free of responsibility for their ecological and economical failures, obsolete military and technology. In fact that gives them incentive and encouragement to work more so they can buy Russian(or any other) resources and technology, which is a win-win situation.

You really think that majority of Russians (nearly 60%) would want USSR back if independent Russia is like you say win-win situation?
Not all is like it is written in wikipedia

Kirjutas Croat, 11.12.2015 at 08:09

Compare all Georgian dictators and mass murderers just with one Russian dictator and mass murderer (J.V.Stalin).
Well, now it seems like Georgians are little mice in comparison with him.
I don't even want to mention other Russian dictators, not only during World wars, but during whole the history.
Last sentence is just funny because it is pointless as fuck. Stop posting just to post something, try thinking about what are you posting.

Nothing to add. I can't talk to people living in their own imaginary world with alternative history, pseudo-science and twisted reality.

The former Soviet Union is one single ethnic group, composed of Russians. I'm tired of people from the west coming over and telling us what to do regarding the return of stolen territories of ukraine, etc to russia. you know nothing about our culture, our history, and if you want to fund your military industrial complex invade the middle east and fuck off our land instead of supporting separatist rebels in the baltics, georgia, and ukraine

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 11.12.2015 at 15:01

Nothing to add. I can't talk to people living in their own imaginary world with alternative history, pseudo-science and twisted reality.

J.V. Stalin (USSR) - responsible for the death of 20 000 000 - 60 000 000 people.

If you want to face the truth more easy, just have in mind that Stalin had a Georgian roots