Change the current 'Battle system'

As Syrian Force was attacked by some and forced to delete his topic, I am reposting it but here's things will be different
as duel to some people posting off topics/personal attacks in the main topic i suppose i have the right to ask mods to stop this nonesense by either watching the thread out of scams when proved wrong or locking the thread and posting any counter argument in another thread

Kirjutas Ivan, 27.01.2015 at 03:11

Time and time again I hear people complaining about unfair battle outcomes. "Surely my superior force should've defeated that puny army?", they say. Well, in most case, sure, but there are exceptions, and they are absolutely necessary.

First of all, if you're interested in battle mechanics, I can recommend you to put the slowest battle speed in your settings - this will show the actual rolls (damage) and help you understand the mechanics. Also, here's a FAQ battles entry. Basically, every unit normally has 7 HP (hit points) and a certain range of attack and defense rolls (depending on the situation). That range is always 1 to max attack/defense (which you can see on the units page / units menu in the game).

Now, if you're extremely unlucky, your unit will roll 1 several times in a row, only dealing 1 damage each time. It would take 8 hits just to take one enemy unit down. Every time you attack, an enemy unit fires back (using their defense stats). So, every time you will also be taking damage. Again, in an extreme situation, enemy can take down one unit per shot.

Things like that happen, and the randomness and unpredictability factor that they bring is extremely important to keep the gameplay exciting and being closer to the real world, where as you know, pure numbers don't always win and unpredictable outcomes happen all the time.

LINK:
https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=17795&topicsearch=&page=1

As we can see this have been a case since 2015 and there are too many players complaining about it yet nothing has happened and it has been the cause of battles like shown below(just little examples i'm sure there are worse)




Currently the main issue with the battle system is its similarity to throwing a dice. For example a tank has an equal chance of dealing 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 damage on attack. This leads to a very wild variance in results. Too wild. Countless complaint threads over the years have revealed this to be a big source of frustration for players. My solution would be for a unit to be able to roll a minimum of half its' attack/defence stat. In the case of odd numbers you can halve it and round up so a standard militia for example with 3 attack will roll 2/3. This would reduce to roll variance significantly but still keep the fun random element. I have asked around and 25+ high ranks have supported me on this.

The following is just 1 example of roll variance posted by a player in 2015. I can find countless others.

Kirjutas Lemonade, 03.09.2015 at 05:13

I hope that this battle system will get an "update"



i was ds so my helis had 8 attack and this militia has only 3 def

an other try:



the range of luck is about ±50%. In my opinion its to much!

As said the random element of the game is great but it needs improvement. Lotto rolls are detrimental to the game and take away from the skill. I propose we could test this or something similar out on the test server. There have been many calls for improvement in the past and now we have the means to finally achieve it.

more examples of when rolls destroy a game
PD vs blitz
blitz VS PD(just when the blitz got the -1def in the city) the few following ss's are from the same game



pd vs gw

those were posted in 01.25.2015 here https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=17750&topicsearch=

and the following thread contains a similar complaints and it also shows us how the trash people changes the topic into off topic using the none sense as mods let it go https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=19499

how luck effects game negatively and the opinion of best players back there about it https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=19155&topicsearch=&page=1



our best player in community choice's opinion about them showed how disappointed he is here https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=24817




further blabla https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=19320

Stop complaining about rolls and send extra units.

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:11

Stop complaining about rolls and send extra units.

no matter how much i see people sending they still receive some knd of none sense and get their games ruined and I have already mentioned that this topic is not open for random trash talking and crap sentences, if you have any logical argument go make other topic.

Kirjutas Croat, 24.11.2017 at 04:20

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:11

Stop complaining about rolls and send extra units.

no matter how much i see people sending they still receive some knd of none sense and get their games ruined and I have already mentioned that this topic is not open for random trash talking and crap sentences, if you have any logical argument go make other topic.

Ok next time do this. Problem solved.
44 inf>41 inf




Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:37

Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

haha one in a million... If only shit rolls happen one in a million battles; I would rather say I'm dealing with 'em at least once in a ten battles

Kirjutas Croat, 24.11.2017 at 04:49

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:37

Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

haha one in a million... If only shit rolls happen one in a million battles; I would rather say I'm dealing with 'em one in a ten battles

you probably didnt send enough then. next time send more units.

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:37

Kirjutas Croat, 24.11.2017 at 04:20

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:11

Stop complaining about rolls and send extra units.

no matter how much i see people sending they still receive some knd of none sense and get their games ruined and I have already mentioned that this topic is not open for random trash talking and crap sentences, if you have any logical argument go make other topic.

Ok next time do this. Problem solved.
44 inf>41 inf




Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

thats my screenshot infact and feel free to make half wall consisting militia + ignoring ireland first turn and making uk vunlrable just to add 3 inf to the attack taking them from their original places along side your only expension(NL) which might and will most likely get tbed in the current system even if you drag them before
havent you failed paris first turn in one game and poland in another yesterday anyways?
i swear i had 8inf and general failing 5 netural militia how much am i meant to send? 10 ?
actually i don't think that i haven't sent enough as tests proved https://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=19499
PS: even if i sent 44inf look how much he had left mate.. i think you are logical person and understand the game machinics and will accept the fact that you can lose first turn due to rolls any game...

Please stop this nonsense the rolls are the only thing tying this back to risk and face it thats why most players joined.
Never will happen get over it
Your acting like a child on a tantrum when things dont go his way
No offence.

Its as simple as changing those codes
if (maxAttack > 15 && attackRoll < maxAttack / 2)
if (maxDefence > 15 && defenceRoll < maxDefence / 2)
into:
if (maxAttack >= 3 && attackRoll < maxAttack / 2)
if (maxDefence >= 3 && defenceRoll < maxDefence / 2)
combined with a new codes for both att/damage but i assume the attack one will look like this using some successive calculation yet this code will never work its just example to explain what im suggesting : if (maxAttack = 3or5or7or9etc) maxAttack = maxattack/2+1;
ofc after enabling a new premium future button(fix rolls) in settings so that players can choose how ever they like the game to be
and i doubt that will bug the rolls if combined by the other numbers as those are exceptional codes after all they will apply to everything
i/many others ask to make this as premium future option to fix rolls to half so who ever wants to host a game/cw with rolls being with minimal of half can do it/not do it
wont that already end this crisis and be fair? wont this stop people from crying about rolls mostly as its their choice to start the game with/without this option? i guess We(pros) deserve our own environment where we actually want to challenge each others not challenge neturals or illogical battles and i guess the noobs who risk (For example) sending 6bombers/3inf to moscow will change their game play as this will fail on 50/50% chance (cant you see that this increases the risk in the game and simply asks you to send more like a pro or fail like a noob?another example is that you have to send +12inf to kill 8 netural inf to have a better chance then 50/50% which will be reduced because of stack bonus in the attacker's favour... i cant really see how does that remove the luck from the game utterly it just asks you to be logical without being mindless person)
thats not really something admins would take time doing i guess exprienced programmer can do it in 5minutes or less



just see how people are complaining about it its not logical..




its really shame i deleted the previous thread it was legendary.... i thought that people want it like this but no people doesn't its just the few attention seekers troll wanna be who are commenting bs

Do you guys really want this to become a math game? everyone has had trash rolls, but everyone has had max attack rolls in a row as well,but those don't get recorded ofcourse

I sent 15 bombers but got tbed

Kirjutas Rock Lee, 25.11.2017 at 10:28

I sent 15 bombers but got tbed

true, would have been certain recap weren't for that

Kirjutas 4nic, 25.11.2017 at 10:30

true, would have been certain recap weren't for that

Yup it was a great game. we should play more

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:37

Ok next time do this. Problem solved.
44 inf>41 inf




Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

Your logic is flawed because you have only two priorities 1. wall 2. attack amastardam

besides if you make brutal suicide and willing to take chance and risk everything else you can never know what is the wildest bad rolls you can get. game keeps suprising us week after week

Kirjutas SyrianDevil, 25.11.2017 at 09:53

Its as simple as changing those codes
if (maxAttack > 15 && attackRoll < maxAttack / 2)
if (maxDefence > 15 && defenceRoll < maxDefence / 2)

You would want to use parenthesis when you use math terms. especially in monsterous languages like java and javasharp.

Kirjutas Rock Lee, 25.11.2017 at 10:39

Kirjutas SyrianDevil, 25.11.2017 at 09:53

Its as simple as changing those codes
if (maxAttack > 15 && attackRoll < maxAttack / 2)
if (maxDefence > 15 && defenceRoll < maxDefence / 2)

You would want to use parenthesis when you use math terms. especially in monsterous languages like java and javasharp.

thats how it appears in at war's inspect element
thx for your opinion but thats a copy paste from the game machinics

Kirjutas IHavok, 25.11.2017 at 10:09

Do you guys really want this to become a math game? everyone has had trash rolls, but everyone has had max attack rolls in a row as well,but those don't get recorded ofcourse

no math think about it... 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 you removed 3 chances 1/2/3 for you and for your enemy do you think that will clear out the rolls thingy? we will still witness bullshits but in less ratio and the theory of "you should have probably sent more" of power planet will take a place in the other change
trust me its never fair if someone will send 8bombers 3 inf and fail moscow while other sends 6bombers 2inf and wins which will be unlikely a win in the new system so retards have to be reasonable in this

Kirjutas Rock Lee, 25.11.2017 at 10:37

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:37

Ok next time do this. Problem solved.
44 inf>41 inf




Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

Your logic is flawed because you have only two priorities 1. wall 2. attack amastardam

besides if you make brutal suicide and willing to take chance and risk everything else you can never know what is the wildest bad rolls you can get. game keeps suprising us week after week

1) what's wrong with that exactly? Care to explain grandmaster of atwar Rock Lee

Also your second statement makes 0 sense so im not even gonna bother.

Kirjutas SyrianDevil, 25.11.2017 at 10:45

Kirjutas IHavok, 25.11.2017 at 10:09

Do you guys really want this to become a math game? everyone has had trash rolls, but everyone has had max attack rolls in a row as well,but those don't get recorded ofcourse

no math think about it... 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 you removed 3 chances 1/2/3 for you and for your enemy do you think that will clear out the rolls thingy? we will still witness bullshits but in less ratio and the theory of "you should have probably sent more" of power planet will take a place in the other change
trust me its never fair if someone will send 8bombers 3 inf and fail moscow while other sends 6bombers 2inf and wins which will be unlikely a win in the new system so retards have to be reasonable in this

i can see the appeal, but i can't avoid to think it will take away some excitement in the game, i don't believe randomness is a bad thing, the games i remember the most are the ones when you get those precious rolls you needed so desperately, and god it feels nice after 50 or so turns, because the system does the job relatively well, you don't actually know if you are going to win, unless you try ofcourse, if you remove the first 3 rolls, you will effectively be able to calculate the results beforehand

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 25.11.2017 at 10:59

1) what's wrong with that exactly? Care to explain grandmaster of atwar Rock Lee

Also your second statement makes 0 sense so im not even gonna bother.

You can't just troll me as counter argument -_-

I might be complete noob but i am certainly kind person and i did not ignore your argument or play stupid like you just did. i do not deserve to be ignored and trolled like that

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 25.11.2017 at 10:59

Kirjutas Rock Lee, 25.11.2017 at 10:37

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:37

Ok next time do this. Problem solved.
44 inf>41 inf




Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

Your logic is flawed because you have only two priorities 1. wall 2. attack amastardam

besides if you make brutal suicide and willing to take chance and risk everything else you can never know what is the wildest bad rolls you can get. game keeps suprising us week after week

1) what's wrong with that exactly? Care to explain grandmaster of atwar Rock Lee

Also your second statement makes 0 sense so im not even gonna bother.

1) bad expansion
2)if you send 6bomber 2inf you will be ok if you lose but you wont say anything if you win
thats what he means

Kirjutas Rock Lee, 25.11.2017 at 11:08

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 25.11.2017 at 10:59

1) what's wrong with that exactly? Care to explain grandmaster of atwar Rock Lee

Also your second statement makes 0 sense so im not even gonna bother.

You can't just troll me as counter argument -_-

I might be complete noob but i am certainly kind person and i did not ignore your argument or play stupid like you just did. i do not deserve to be ignored and trolled like that

tru

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 25.11.2017 at 10:59

Kirjutas Rock Lee, 25.11.2017 at 10:37

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.11.2017 at 04:37

Ok next time do this. Problem solved.
44 inf>41 inf




Also nice cherry picking one in a million battles to prove your point. I could argue anything if I cherry picked shit that happens in atwar.

Your logic is flawed because you have only two priorities 1. wall 2. attack amastardam

besides if you make brutal suicide and willing to take chance and risk everything else you can never know what is the wildest bad rolls you can get. game keeps suprising us week after week

1) what's wrong with that exactly? Care to explain grandmaster of atwar Rock Lee

Also your second statement makes 0 sense so im not even gonna bother.

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Kirjutas IHavok, 25.11.2017 at 11:02

Kirjutas SyrianDevil, 25.11.2017 at 10:45

Kirjutas IHavok, 25.11.2017 at 10:09

Do you guys really want this to become a math game? everyone has had trash rolls, but everyone has had max attack rolls in a row as well,but those don't get recorded ofcourse

no math think about it... 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 you removed 3 chances 1/2/3 for you and for your enemy do you think that will clear out the rolls thingy? we will still witness bullshits but in less ratio and the theory of "you should have probably sent more" of power planet will take a place in the other change
trust me its never fair if someone will send 8bombers 3 inf and fail moscow while other sends 6bombers 2inf and wins which will be unlikely a win in the new system so retards have to be reasonable in this

i can see the appeal, but i can't avoid to think it will take away some excitement in the game, i don't believe randomness is a bad thing, the games i remember the most are the ones when you get those precious rolls you needed so desperately, and god it feels nice after 50 or so turns, because the system does the job relatively well, you don't actually know if you are going to win, unless you try ofcourse, if you remove the first 3 rolls, you will effectively be able to calculate the results beforehand

thats 1 game tho and
i see a whole game of bullshits here and please notice that he wasn't IF nor LB and i never used to guess strategy wrong and rarely do now this was uk vs germany when all people used just PD

Kirjutas 4nic, 25.11.2017 at 11:13

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Kirjutas Rock Lee, 25.11.2017 at 11:16

Kirjutas 4nic, 25.11.2017 at 11:13

Death duel me bitches. i will kill you both you and yellow rose in euro+ 2v1 game 10k

I am underrated as always

Kirjutas Rock Lee, 26.11.2017 at 13:06

I am underrated as always

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