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I want to state that before you guys keep reading, that I want no flamingwar nor attacking towards moderators/admins, or even towards players in this thread. I will insure you that this post won't have attacking in it. If you feel like I am attacking you or offending you by anything, let me know by PM and I will change it. Because sometimes things I say could be taken wrong by others and thats not what we want.
This thread will be a kind of summary of most of the threads about the moderators. 90% of them were probably locked or deleted, unfortunately these threads and comments have gone to a place that noone knows.
There is a thread going around the forums right now about moderators. This thread is recently locked and I feel like there should be a place for the community [u]AND[/u] moderators to give their opinions about this.
Now a big part of the community thinks specific moderators shouldn't be moderator at all because they are ''bias'' as they call it. Or they dont bring anything usefull to this community or they are inactive etc.
I think it would be usefull to have a thread on forums about the rules moderators should stick on. I heard from several moderators there is already a thread about this, but it is in moderator forum. Which means the community cant check it. This would solve alot of problems because I think a big part of the community feels like alot of moderators actions werent fully right. To have an open forum like I mentioned it could solve this problem and actually could avoid having heavy discussions and most likely more threads bashing the moderators in general discussion. ( I know this is weird coming from me, because most of these threads came from me
). The thing is I think alot of people feel mistreated by moderators, this could cause them getting irritated about it and some of them accept it and some of them won't let it by this. Afterall we should accept not all 7 billion people on the earth are quite the same. And I dont think people should get punished for their personality.
Now we come to the part how people become mods.
What has caught my attention is that most of the moderators ( I know off) are the quiet type of persons.
Here I quote Desu:
''There has to be a player that stands above in maturity, integrity, and professionalism. Pick those up and you'll get yourself moderator. Want it? Don't ask for it, demonstrate it.''
I am not saying this is a bad thing at all. But I wonder how much of the moderators we have actually has this?
And most of all, most of the moderators we have aren't active anymore as they used to be.
Here are some pictures I collected at the time Syndicate was fully active with much moderators in it.
2 of the moderators in these screenshots actually arent moderators anymore as you all know it. Because both of them went through personal stuff in reallife and quit being a moderator.
I have noticed that most of the moderators nowdays arent as fully active as they used to be, and I think this was also the reason to make ~Bertank and ~Devil moderators. My opinion is that I think it wasn't this usefull to make both of them moderator though. Because no hard feeling, i like both of these persons as player, but both of them aren't that active anymore as most of us actually expect from the moderators. Devil recently actually plays clanwars and I noticed that he became more active though. So basically it was a little bit more about Bertank. I also would like to mention ~sificvoid because I actually never seen him online? I dont know if anyone of you guys have seen him online.
I noticed that the recently boost/nerfs were also partly made by a moderator. This moderator is not quietly active and I am not sure if he knows all of the mechanics of AW 100%. (this could sound a little bit rude but I didn't completely know how to translate it into something nicer
) Of course this moderator is free in suggesting nerfs/boosts like most of the community players do in daily threads. But I wonder if this nerf/boost was accepted because he is a moderator or just because he knows what he is talking about? (again no offense)
I could tell about all the bad and good stuff of each moderator, but I dont think this would help this thread at all. So I would like to see you guys (the community, moderators included) to actually talk about this openly and free. And I also think if someones doubts about a moderators action, he should be able to make a thread about it, why? because I think it could show that maybe people who did the same thing got a less big punishment or much worse punishment. Those threads should not turn out into attacking or flamewars. But instead of moderators locking it they should respect people and their threads. For example, this thread. I am almost sure one of the moderators will probably lock or delete this one even though I wasted alot of effort in it.
As for the rest of this thread once again, dont start a flamewar or attack eachother. Feel free to give your opinion about this subject in general. If I forgot to mention anything which I think I did but cannot think of it at this moment please tell me.
Waffel
This thread will be a kind of summary of most of the threads about the moderators. 90% of them were probably locked or deleted, unfortunately these threads and comments have gone to a place that noone knows.
There is a thread going around the forums right now about moderators. This thread is recently locked and I feel like there should be a place for the community [u]AND[/u] moderators to give their opinions about this.
Now a big part of the community thinks specific moderators shouldn't be moderator at all because they are ''bias'' as they call it. Or they dont bring anything usefull to this community or they are inactive etc.
I think it would be usefull to have a thread on forums about the rules moderators should stick on. I heard from several moderators there is already a thread about this, but it is in moderator forum. Which means the community cant check it. This would solve alot of problems because I think a big part of the community feels like alot of moderators actions werent fully right. To have an open forum like I mentioned it could solve this problem and actually could avoid having heavy discussions and most likely more threads bashing the moderators in general discussion. ( I know this is weird coming from me, because most of these threads came from me
). The thing is I think alot of people feel mistreated by moderators, this could cause them getting irritated about it and some of them accept it and some of them won't let it by this. Afterall we should accept not all 7 billion people on the earth are quite the same. And I dont think people should get punished for their personality. Now we come to the part how people become mods.
What has caught my attention is that most of the moderators ( I know off) are the quiet type of persons.
Here I quote Desu:
''There has to be a player that stands above in maturity, integrity, and professionalism. Pick those up and you'll get yourself moderator. Want it? Don't ask for it, demonstrate it.''
I am not saying this is a bad thing at all. But I wonder how much of the moderators we have actually has this?
And most of all, most of the moderators we have aren't active anymore as they used to be.
Here are some pictures I collected at the time Syndicate was fully active with much moderators in it.
2 of the moderators in these screenshots actually arent moderators anymore as you all know it. Because both of them went through personal stuff in reallife and quit being a moderator.
I have noticed that most of the moderators nowdays arent as fully active as they used to be, and I think this was also the reason to make ~Bertank and ~Devil moderators. My opinion is that I think it wasn't this usefull to make both of them moderator though. Because no hard feeling, i like both of these persons as player, but both of them aren't that active anymore as most of us actually expect from the moderators. Devil recently actually plays clanwars and I noticed that he became more active though. So basically it was a little bit more about Bertank. I also would like to mention ~sificvoid because I actually never seen him online? I dont know if anyone of you guys have seen him online.
I noticed that the recently boost/nerfs were also partly made by a moderator. This moderator is not quietly active and I am not sure if he knows all of the mechanics of AW 100%. (this could sound a little bit rude but I didn't completely know how to translate it into something nicer
) Of course this moderator is free in suggesting nerfs/boosts like most of the community players do in daily threads. But I wonder if this nerf/boost was accepted because he is a moderator or just because he knows what he is talking about? (again no offense) I could tell about all the bad and good stuff of each moderator, but I dont think this would help this thread at all. So I would like to see you guys (the community, moderators included) to actually talk about this openly and free. And I also think if someones doubts about a moderators action, he should be able to make a thread about it, why? because I think it could show that maybe people who did the same thing got a less big punishment or much worse punishment. Those threads should not turn out into attacking or flamewars. But instead of moderators locking it they should respect people and their threads. For example, this thread. I am almost sure one of the moderators will probably lock or delete this one even though I wasted alot of effort in it.
As for the rest of this thread once again, dont start a flamewar or attack eachother. Feel free to give your opinion about this subject in general. If I forgot to mention anything which I think I did but cannot think of it at this moment please tell me.
Waffel
Perhaps you also noticed that I'm a very blunt sort of person as well. Subtle humor doesn't really get to me much. My point was, Columna Durruti distancing himself from the community (he apparently doesn't play with that account anymore) is completely absurd. As a moderator, he should be in the game more with actual players, not distancing himself by using an alt. On another note, I stand corrected. Page 3 and still not locked.
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Why you want it locked? Columna is more active in forums, which is legit because we also need these kind of activinesses too. I feel like columna is more of a neutral moderator than some biased moderators.. ;_;
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I don't want it locked. I just thought it would be. Columna is one of the best moderators in AtWar, in my personal opinion. That's very bad, because that means that most moderators are worse than Columna.
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Well I think you mean ''best'' as in in person right. Columna is a great guy I agree with that no doubt about it. Sometimes a trolly comment here, sometimes a hilarious comment there. But with that said I still think acq is the #1 mod when he relates to the community. He helps with some problems and chitchats with alot of people. Most of the other mods are actually quite and just afk in lobbies. Which I think is a shame, because now all I see is Chess sometimes play a 3v3 or duel a day or two. Desu/cthulhu/devil cwing once or twice a week and training with their clan. But thats actually it. The rest comes online 5 mins and goes offline again. I remember when pinheiro used to play hours of worldgames together with me, same with vril/caulerpa and plenty of others.. ;_;
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Best as in moderator. A moderator can be a rude and bigoted mess of a human being, but as long as he is a good moderator, I could not care less. Of course, the qualities of a good human being has many similarities with the qualities of a good moderator, but there are a few key differences. I play this game when everyone (read: east coast Americans) sleeps, so I can't comment on how often mods are online. Suffice to say that it's a good week for me if I see one moderator online for five minutes one night of the week.
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You talk as if Devil got kidnapped  I barely know about mod's past so I can't say anything about it, I just know some of their present.
---- Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you. We're all people. 
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Hm... I think you got it wrong. Columna ACTUALLY IS friendly (at least that's what my little experience with him tells me ) But I do agree that I barely know anything about the other mods, they seem to be a bit introvert in my most personal opinion. That's the worry I'm trying to comunicate here.
---- Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you. We're all people.
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Maybe you should first ask his reason for playing with an alt instead of stating such attack towards him (just a suggestion). Besides, I think I know now which is his alt thanks to himself 
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He's no more friendly, no offense intended, than your average caregiver.
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It's not my job to argue his position for him. Besides, even if it was, I can't think of any good reason why Columna would do such an awful thing.  No matter what he does, I'll still keep supporting him as a mod as long as he has that cool cat avatar of his.
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Not being able to think of a reason for yourself doesn't mean anybody else can't XD yet, you shouldn't describe it as such a terrible event, at least he plays right? And I guess the average caregiver in your neighbourhood must be totally cool in order to state such thing XDD
---- Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you. We're all people.
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First of all thanks for the good words, most important you are expressing your opinion which is realistic not modified. To those who aren't informed, I'm pretty active, log on many times (different parts of the day). It is true that I'm focused more on the community, helping people, maintaining order and solving problems. At the same time I teach players, make training sessions and summon new competitive players as I did in the past. I play clan wars, just you log on the wrong time when I'm not playing. Meanwhile I lead successfully the clan, spread positive atmosphere, encourage new players to step on the competitive scene, boost clan mate's moral... I usually let other fellow members play instead of me so they get a chance to feel adrenaline. Also I keep playing public game, so you are totally wrong waffel. Every mod is doing his role on the best way, I know all of them from the start of afterwind. We got different personalities and act differently. Everyone got a different type of moderating and prefer some specific sectors (forum, mapmaking, abuses, bugs, statistics, public games, clan wars, ect.) - like different positions in soccer, making us a well organized team covering everything. All of us are busy with real life, sometimes we are out of time and mega busy but still we log to help AW (also keep in mind that moderating is a voluntary job and it isn't really easy to moderate and keep playing at the same time when you got a fixed and full schedule ). CD is a great guy which spares so much time moderating and no one can blame him in any way. He is a kind of person who can't just play when there are so many quest to solve in the community, so he spares his time to moderate (which is an awesome act from him). And one more thing I can say, since we are getting more and more new players, we could use help of at least one more mod to cover the time zone which isn't covered and aid us in daily moderation since there are so many issues to solve (it is pretty hard when a lot of players spam one mod and he wants to solve all but due to a huge amount of private messages and reports he might miss some and be a bit slow).
---- "There is a hero in all of us"
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How much time does your moderating responsabilities take you daily (aproximately)?? Would you say it's a stressful job for you??
---- Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you. We're all people.
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Thanks for the support raul but I'm happy with my position and I enjoy helping the community. Hmmm nice question :thumbup: I can't tell you exactly the time in minutes/hours but I moderate 2/3 of my daily AW session. It depends, sometimes we are full with issues and quests to solve so we need more time to moderate, sometimes we got less things to solve so it varies. When you start moderating as a new mod you will need some time to catch up, but after a while you will handle everything easily. I want to express my gratitude to all players which are helping us daily with reports, private messages (official supporters and those working from the shadow).  Moderating isn't stressful for me since I'm calm and don't fall on provocations. Only thing is that you need to be dedicated to moderating and do your best to help everyone and treat all the same way. Also I'm a kind of person who prefer speaking to people and asking them to stop politely with more warnings if needed. If the person continue to abuse and ignore everything small punishments are more effective than big ones (if you make a bigger punishment you will make that people act hostile and repeat the abuse x2, also you have to think about that person and put yourself in his position - would you like to be punished that hard and what way would you feel). This is my point of view and thinking, people can express opinions about me so I won't write anything else about me.
---- "There is a hero in all of us"
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#Devil4Admin Support this mod <3
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DeviL is hawt
----  We are not the same- I am a Martian.
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Come on, admit it, no one will judge you... wouldn't the red color suit perfectly with your rank 12 emblem??  I sure think it would! 
2/3... as an average I must say that's quite much time. I can somehow understand why would Columna make an alt with such time requirements. It also leaves little time to enjoy yourself with the game properly... I'd like to wish you strength and cheers!
Does that mean that people constantly behave provocatively towards you?
Okey... after reading this... the only thing left for me to say about you... I think I'm falling in love pls give me your autograph! You're like the brother I never had  It's really obvious comparing you with Desu that there's a really big variety of thoughts inside the moderating group. I'm not sure how do you guys agree between yourselves about the proceedures you guys should follow for certain circumstances. Isn't that a drawback in a certain way when you need to decide something as a group?
---- Don't ever look down on someone unless you're helping him up. Don't ever treat someone else the way you wouldn't want others to treat you. We're all people.
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"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
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Nice logic, couldn't expect less from the all mighty Google Chrome
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They are diferent as you said, and they get along because mods like Desu and Meester are people of action and they make things happen, while mods like DeviL are more passive and play more of a supporting role in moderation, not saying either way is typically wrong, but I would not mind if mods like Desu took players opinions into consideration more often.
---- We are not the same- I am a Martian.
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The way you're saying it, it makes me believe that Devil does not have the chance to decide on important matters and stays behind of other mod's decission.
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