Country picking for CW's

Hi all, as some may have realized ever so often I like to share some observations and engage the community on the particular issue. I have been watching cw's for a little while now and I have realized that there is sometimes confusion regarding country picks.It seems that over time certain codes have developed where some players think that certain combinations of countries are unfair,in that they give some advantage to the team that posseses them.

It is here that I would like to share my opinion on this particular subject. First of all I want to separate regular 3v3 and CW's. I find it perfectly understandable that in a regular game players would request certain combos or lack thereof and see no problem with that after all it is a regular game and for the most part I believe we all just seek to have fun. In CW's however, which I have have been led to believe represents the pinnacle of competitive activity on atwar this is a different matter. Every coalition competes to win and strives to find the best combination of countries which suit their players and simultaneously weaken the opponent in some way. The picking alternates between the two teams. This leads to my big question and my opinion on the matter: Why would someone not take a country and then complain if the opponent takes it ?! As long as the picking alternates between the two teams each side has the opportunity to stop the opposing team from getting one country or another. From my experience it seem as though players still prefer to pick a country that suits themselves or their team and expect that the opponent should not take another country because " OP combo" . I find this quite silly if indeed CW's do represent the pinnacle of competitive activity . If a team does not wish the opponent to acquire a certain country it is my opinion that they should take it themselves.If not them no blame should be attributed to the team that desires that country .After all no one forced you to take the country you did, you rejected one country for whatever reason and the opponent took it ! Fair game, isn't it a competition !?

I agree with what you have to say for the most part which is why I wasn't happy after bullet disconnected from the CW yesterday simply because the other team had a Turkey/Ukraine combo. Everyone has the option to pick any country available. So don't complain when the other team picks a country you chose not to.

The most known "combos" or op picks are UK-germ and trk-ukr. If a player does not pick the country his team "has" to have, it probably is because that player is "better" at another country or would like to use another country.
Basically, the player does not want that country but wants his team to have it.

Kirjutas Goblin, 05.04.2014 at 10:12

Yeah right totaly ...NOT!

- Your team mate picks turkey
- I pick UK because want to prevent you from having UK-turkey combo, which is powerful shit with all the reinf
- You pick Ukraine
- My team mate picks germany - now its like we have a powerful combo but we dont since Ukraine can run over germany
- last two picks are not even important

First clan that has picking would always have an advantage ...please dont bullshit people, your making me mad.

thats true, but wouldn't that mean that 3v3s are always imbalanced? we need a more balanced competitive map, i'd suggest the Hexagon, it's perfectly balanced ...
no for real, why not just use the world map and go with 5 players per clan?

Kirjutas Goblin, 05.04.2014 at 11:10

Kirjutas Tirpitz406, 05.04.2014 at 10:21

no for real, why not just use the world map and go with 5 players per clan?

Not all of us have time to play for a few hours and more importantly clans providing 5 members on each side would be a bitch to set up.

aaah...i have to admit...you're unfortunalty right >_<
but you could try maps like america, what about that?

Imo, any combo is permitted except if your two first picks were UK-Germ or Ukr-Turk. Having said that, France+Spain is underrated.

Trinig is right I have always agreed that if you want something, even if it is to prevent someone else getting it then you have to pick it.

Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so. It was amusing when their 2nd pick said 'are you sure' as if to need acceptance to select what they wish for. Most clans would just abandon at this point, BTW there is no OP combo imo, granted it is very very powerful (Ukr/Turk) but It can, has and will be beaten.

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:29

Trinig is right I have always agreed that if you want something, even if it is to prevent someone else getting it then you have to pick it.

Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so. It was amusing when their 2nd pick said 'are you sure' as if to need acceptance to select what they wish for. Most clans would just abandon at this point, BTW there is no OP combo imo, granted it is very very powerful (Ukr/Turk) but It can, has and will be beaten.

Not op but still better than others. You can't compare france-spain to uk-germ, for example.
It is more balanced to have one in ukr/trk and one in uk/germ.
It seems fair to me to pick turkey when the other team first picked UK. As first team could choose between UK or Germ, other team should be able to chose between Ukr or Trk. Otherwise first pick team can choose on both cases (UK or germ and Ukr or trk)

I remember when SM failed their picks in a cw once and my clan had UK/germany combo.I left the game so we could start a new one.Its not fun for me to win when i have the advantage.I like to win hard and good games,otherwise whats the fucking point.

Kirjutas Guest, 05.04.2014 at 12:42

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:29

Trinig is right I have always agreed that if you want something, even if it is to prevent someone else getting it then you have to pick it.

Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so. It was amusing when their 2nd pick said 'are you sure' as if to need acceptance to select what they wish for. Most clans would just abandon at this point, BTW there is no OP combo imo, granted it is very very powerful (Ukr/Turk) but It can, has and will be beaten.

Not op but still better than others. You can't compare france-spain to uk-germ, for example.
It is more balanced to have one in ukr/trk and one in uk/germ.
It seems fair to me to pick turkey when the other team first picked UK. As first team could choose between UK or Germ, other team should be able to chose between Ukr or Trk. Otherwise first pick team can choose on both cases (UK or germ and Ukr or trk)

I knew you would make a comment on my post, I never said anything about it being unfair as I said in my post 'if you don't want someone to pick something then pick it yourself', you basically just repeated to me what I said...

Also trinigs post was in reference to cw picks, why on earth should we always allow it to be 'balanced'

Picking codes of conduct should just be decided by the team's leaders prior to the start of the game. /end thread

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:49

Kirjutas Guest, 05.04.2014 at 12:42

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:29

Trinig is right I have always agreed that if you want something, even if it is to prevent someone else getting it then you have to pick it.

Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so. It was amusing when their 2nd pick said 'are you sure' as if to need acceptance to select what they wish for. Most clans would just abandon at this point, BTW there is no OP combo imo, granted it is very very powerful (Ukr/Turk) but It can, has and will be beaten.

Not op but still better than others. You can't compare france-spain to uk-germ, for example.
It is more balanced to have one in ukr/trk and one in uk/germ.
It seems fair to me to pick turkey when the other team first picked UK. As first team could choose between UK or Germ, other team should be able to chose between Ukr or Trk. Otherwise first pick team can choose on both cases (UK or germ and Ukr or trk)

I knew you would make a comment on my post, I never said anything about it being unfair as I said in my post 'if you don't want someone to pick something then pick it yourself', you basically just repeated to me what I said...

Also trinigs post was in reference to cw picks, why on earth should we always allow it to be 'balanced'

No you were against picking turkey when someone picked UK xD I ain't.

Kirjutas Guest, 05.04.2014 at 17:04

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:49

Kirjutas Guest, 05.04.2014 at 12:42

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:29

Trinig is right I have always agreed that if you want something, even if it is to prevent someone else getting it then you have to pick it.

Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so. It was amusing when their 2nd pick said 'are you sure' as if to need acceptance to select what they wish for. Most clans would just abandon at this point, BTW there is no OP combo imo, granted it is very very powerful (Ukr/Turk) but It can, has and will be beaten.

Not op but still better than others. You can't compare france-spain to uk-germ, for example.
It is more balanced to have one in ukr/trk and one in uk/germ.
It seems fair to me to pick turkey when the other team first picked UK. As first team could choose between UK or Germ, other team should be able to chose between Ukr or Trk. Otherwise first pick team can choose on both cases (UK or germ and Ukr or trk)

I knew you would make a comment on my post, I never said anything about it being unfair as I said in my post 'if you don't want someone to pick something then pick it yourself', you basically just repeated to me what I said...

Also trinigs post was in reference to cw picks, why on earth should we always allow it to be 'balanced'

No you were against picking turkey when someone picked UK xD I ain't.

What are you talking about, I described what happened not my views on it.

''Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so.''

You understand that I was saying it was our 2nd guys fault for not picking Ukraine? Sometimes you look silly alex x

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 17:13

Kirjutas Guest, 05.04.2014 at 17:04

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:49

Kirjutas Guest, 05.04.2014 at 12:42

Kirjutas b0nker2, 05.04.2014 at 12:29

Trinig is right I have always agreed that if you want something, even if it is to prevent someone else getting it then you have to pick it.

Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so. It was amusing when their 2nd pick said 'are you sure' as if to need acceptance to select what they wish for. Most clans would just abandon at this point, BTW there is no OP combo imo, granted it is very very powerful (Ukr/Turk) but It can, has and will be beaten.

Not op but still better than others. You can't compare france-spain to uk-germ, for example.
It is more balanced to have one in ukr/trk and one in uk/germ.
It seems fair to me to pick turkey when the other team first picked UK. As first team could choose between UK or Germ, other team should be able to chose between Ukr or Trk. Otherwise first pick team can choose on both cases (UK or germ and Ukr or trk)

I knew you would make a comment on my post, I never said anything about it being unfair as I said in my post 'if you don't want someone to pick something then pick it yourself', you basically just repeated to me what I said...

Also trinigs post was in reference to cw picks, why on earth should we always allow it to be 'balanced'

No you were against picking turkey when someone picked UK xD I ain't.

What are you talking about, I described what happened not my views on it.

''Yesterday in CW, I picked UK team 2 picked Turkey, our 2nd Picked Germany their 2nd picked Ukraine, and rightfully so.''

You understand that I was saying it was our 2nd guys fault for not picking Ukraine? Sometimes you look silly alex x

I got a little confused lol.
I mean, I am against the one who picked Germany. I thought you weren't, since your own clan picked Germany and you said "BTW there is no op combo".

UK Germany is beatable, and not everything has to be downright fair you know.

Kirjutas The Tactician, 06.04.2014 at 00:10

UK Germany is beatable, and not everything has to be downright fair you know.

even a 3 vs me is possible to win for the smaller party, you just need 3 rank 4s

Kirjutas Tirpitz406, 05.04.2014 at 11:13

Kirjutas Goblin, 05.04.2014 at 11:10

Kirjutas Tirpitz406, 05.04.2014 at 10:21

no for real, why not just use the world map and go with 5 players per clan?

Not all of us have time to play for a few hours and more importantly clans providing 5 members on each side would be a bitch to set up.

aaah...i have to admit...you're unfortunalty right >_<
but you could try maps like america, what about that?

It's possible to play cws in world map in casual mode, to challenge is to get a lot of players at the same time to start the game.

Kirjutas Acquiesce, 05.04.2014 at 13:04

Picking codes of conduct should just be decided by the team's leaders prior to the start of the game. /end thread

this

Time to comment on the thread I began lol. I just thought ppl moan about silly things especially the way CW's are talked up- it is a competition! Ppl should seek the best countries they can.. end of.. Like aqui and others have said though.. ultimately each clan's leaders have to agree to the terms they want.. My own personal opinion is that this should not even be a discussion; ppl should pick the best they can,you dont want me to have it, then you take it ! You can't not want to take it and expect me to not take .. My humble opinion.

Adding to the other comments, yes CW's other than eu+ are possible it is just up to players to start becoming more adventerous and b willing to try new stuff. Of course trying new stuff does come with new challenges and no one is forced to.. such is life.