Liberté, égalité, fraternité! (The Afterwind Revolution: Comic Book)

Admins us veterans are sick and tired of this. For too long our voices have been unheard and our suggestions ignored. Already multiple threads have sprung up signaling the growing tensions in the community. We have lost most of our veterans and you still favor the second estate (UN). Leavers run rampant among our scenarios and many of our people emigrate to the Islands (RTWII), Germany (EUIV), or south of the Pyrenees (GTA V).

Admins this is not simply a revolt. It is a revolution.

In order to appeal to us you must

Punish leavers
Check the mod situation
DO SOMETHING ABOUT UN
Increase competitive
Try to get some of the vets back by reforming.

It is not too late to save the nation...

(Comics explaining most of these points below.)
(Some points were taken from prevalent issues, I do not know about them in detail though.)

Uhh, kinda dramatic there.

The other threads kinda already make these statements but uh.. Hurrah!

Kirjutas Desu, 28.09.2013 at 00:29

Uhh, kinda dramatic there.

The other threads kinda already make these statements but uh.. Hurrah!

Dramatic? BAH!



VIVE LA REVOLUCION!
Afterwind shall rise once more!

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 00:15

Punish leavers
Check the mod situation
DO SOMETHING ABOUT UN
Increase competitive
Try to get some of the vets back by reforming.

It is not too late to save the nation...

Punishing Leavers is something I can definitely get behind. Those guys are assholes.

Check the mod situation? Vril and Meester are doing a pretty fantastic job AFAIK.

The only problem I've found with UN is that the UN1 and UN2 can easily farm SP if they so choose, as I learned today. If there was some way to cap the amount of SP that UN's could get in a UN game that would be amazing.

Increase Competitive? Increase what about competitive?

Reforming what?

Kirjutas Meester, 28.09.2013 at 00:46

A comic will be made detailing what is going on in more detail.

Part I

ACtually pretty solid.

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 02:32

-Insert masterfully made comic from the gods here-

Sky made an excellent point to me in a pm. The fact that someone with high LR could just leave every game. So how about this. When positive you lost 5% of your LR. This means you won't be able to leave much games without first playing some.

Actually I am doubtful if this will work at all. This game as such has low number of players, having a leaver system will decrease it further. No one will play the game knowing you can't leave it when you want. What will happen is players will go afk rather than leaving. How will that help.

Also more importantly a lot of people leave the game when they are done and dusted in that game. Instead of surrendering they leave the game(I do the same when I can't do anything anymore in the game). What will they do now with the leaver system ? Obviously you will come up with a usecase to avoid that scenario which will unnecessarily complicate the game.

You can't do anything anything about the leavers. You can put rank limit on the games to ensure that happens less often.

Kirjutas minusSeven, 28.09.2013 at 03:13

Actually I am doubtful if this will work at all. This game as such has low number of players, having a leaver system will decrease it further. No one will play the game knowing you can't leave it when you want. What will happen is players will go afk rather than leaving. How will that help.

Also more importantly a lot of people leave the game when they are done and dusted in that game. Instead of surrendering they leave the game(I do the same when I can't do anything anymore in the game). What will they do now with the leaver system ? Obviously you will come up with a usecase to avoid that scenario which will unnecessarily complicate the game.

You can't do anything anything about the leavers. You can put rank limit on the games to ensure that happens less often.

You can't just ignore leavers. They ruin every scenario and rank limit does little to stop them. And sometimes it is necessary to complicate the game. Leavers are a MAJOR issue and as someone who has spent most of their AW life mapping I can tell you that it needs to be stopped. You can not imagine the absolute joy I felt when I made it past turn 10 ONCE with all my players. I literally was crying with joy...over something that should be part of the game. If we accept leavers as part of Afterwind culture we will be letting scenarios be incomplete. I am telling you right now, that full game I played was the best experience I have had in my entire gaming life. And I have played multiplayer on Europa Universalis IV. Only truly great games can match the complexity and immersion of Paradox games. The other incomplete games I have played were ok, but that was it. As Byzantium in a Medieval scenario I should be guarding against Turkish invasions or Crusaders not against the English because half of Western Europe left and was free for the taking. That is not why I made the scenario and I don't see who gave "them" the right to alter the goals my scenario was trying to complete. The first step of the revolution is to eliminate leavers once and for all, for the good of cartographers worldwide, no matter the cost.



And on your case about losing and wanting to leave. You can't stay until turn 5?

Vive La Revolution!

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

Kirjutas LordEdwardthe5th, 28.09.2013 at 08:37

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

You can't force people to stay in a game, only encourage it.

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 10:08

Kirjutas LordEdwardthe5th, 28.09.2013 at 08:37

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

You can't force people to stay in a game, only encourage it.

Leaver system should only affect you if you leave within 5 turns.
Deal with it, if you lose within 5 turns then you are playing the wrong game and should try to play something else like COD.

Kirjutas The Taliban, 28.09.2013 at 10:23

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 10:08

Kirjutas LordEdwardthe5th, 28.09.2013 at 08:37

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

You can't force people to stay in a game, only encourage it.

Leaver system should only affect you if you leave within 5 turns.
Deal with it, if you lose within 5 turns then you are playing the wrong game and should try to play something else like COD.

Wait did you mean to reply to me? Because I can't tell if you are supporting me or not...
The 5 turn limit is what I have been suggesting and the whole lose within 5 turns thing I agree with 100%.

Here is some music to immerse yourself in this great revolution!

And yes I hid it at the bottom to force you to listen to it, but hey, I'M A REBEL

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 11:08

Kirjutas The Taliban, 28.09.2013 at 10:23

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 10:08

Kirjutas LordEdwardthe5th, 28.09.2013 at 08:37

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

You can't force people to stay in a game, only encourage it.

Leaver system should only affect you if you leave within 5 turns.
Deal with it, if you lose within 5 turns then you are playing the wrong game and should try to play something else like COD.

Wait did you mean to reply to me? Because I can't tell if you are supporting me or not...
The 5 turn limit is what I have been suggesting and the whole lose within 5 turns thing I agree with 100%.

i support you

Kirjutas The Taliban, 28.09.2013 at 12:10

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 11:08

Kirjutas The Taliban, 28.09.2013 at 10:23

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 10:08

Kirjutas LordEdwardthe5th, 28.09.2013 at 08:37

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

You can't force people to stay in a game, only encourage it.

Leaver system should only affect you if you leave within 5 turns.
Deal with it, if you lose within 5 turns then you are playing the wrong game and should try to play something else like COD.

Wait did you mean to reply to me? Because I can't tell if you are supporting me or not...
The 5 turn limit is what I have been suggesting and the whole lose within 5 turns thing I agree with 100%.

i support you

Good. We must make sure this revolution never dies down, or Afterwind will go down with it.

My next comic will deal with the naming of the game.

I support 2 of your points:
1) doing something about leavers: Leaver ranking system seems nice. Or just an SP penalty (as has been discussed in ideas & suggestions before)
2) increasing competitiveness: a number of threads discuss this. The suggestion I like best is to give an SP bonus for competitive games (EU+ 3v3 and 1v1). Additional SP bonus could be given for CW and tournament games.

Kirjutas Grimm, 28.09.2013 at 12:41

I support 2 of your points:
1) doing something about leavers: Leaver ranking system seems nice. Or just an SP penalty (as has been discussed in ideas & suggestions before)
2) increasing competitiveness: a number of threads discuss this. The suggestion I like best is to give an SP bonus for competitive games (EU+ 3v3 and 1v1). Additional SP bonus could be given for CW and tournament games.

I don't really know much about AW's competitive scene so don't expect too much from me on that. I am simply the voice of the third estate.And tbh most people I know don't care for SP, including me. If you add in an sp penalty I could spend all day breaking games IF I wanted to

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 13:00

tbh most people I know don't care for SP, including me. If you add in an sp penalty I could spend all day breaking games IF I wanted to

Sure, but most people (that are not rank 10+) do care about SP, so it would help.

Kirjutas Grimm, 28.09.2013 at 13:03

Kirjutas Utah, 28.09.2013 at 13:00

tbh most people I know don't care for SP, including me. If you add in an sp penalty I could spend all day breaking games IF I wanted to

Sure, but most people (that are not rank 10+) do care about SP, so it would help.

It stops less than 20% of the population. Plus I can create an alt and break games like crazy. With a rep system I would get a big marker on me.

This thread is oozing with cuteness.

Kirjutas Guest, 28.09.2013 at 13:10

This thread is oozing with cuteness.

I love scenarios,only stoped playing cause allyfagging,noobs and leavers.
So VIVA!

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 28.09.2013 at 14:00

I love scenarios,only stoped playing cause allyfagging,noobs and leavers.
So VIVA!

Sorry for being off-topic but, you should play some of our Rome scenarios, many are 2vs2, only problem is finding players of equal Rank for the game which may take some time.

Kirjutas LordEdwardthe5th, 28.09.2013 at 08:37

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

I support that idea.

Kirjutas Need Mental Help, 28.09.2013 at 15:30

Kirjutas LordEdwardthe5th, 28.09.2013 at 08:37

IDEA: when players enter a game, hey are locked for the first 5 turns.

I support that idea.

I strongly disagree with it. If I join a cruddy game I have the right to leave. With the LR system I could easily regain my reputation.

About leavers.

I'd start signing in "lose" every quit.
I think "Surrending" must be the only quit option.