Marines and bombers

This is just such a bad and annoying idea I'm speechless that their attack is so high again.

So for the same price as a bomber you get the same attack, invisible and you can cap towns which bombers can not. I would say if they are well used they are twice as good as bombers now.

People can just make lots of small stacks of marines and zip around your defences capping towns like mad, they only need 1-3 marines to do this per stack because of the 8 attack. Because there are so many small stacks they are IMPOSSIBLE to stop.


Anyway any feedback /tips would be nice, maybe Its just because I use sky menace (which I feel has really sufferd after the unit changes)

Well a good way to counter is to protect your cities and use sentry planes.

Yes I need to get that upgrade for cheaper sentry planes it's true. After making this thread I feel now maybe the problem is with bombers (especially them not being able to cap) rather than marines maybe. They just feel like they have no speciality.

I just seem to have a really hard time useing sky menace after the update. Maybe I'm missing something but what are bombers for? Tanks have more attack, they are not best at anything except for land movement but they can not cap towns so this movement is a bit useless allot of the time. You need to buy a air transport to cap with bombers which reduce movement and make them easy to cripple (get the transport and they are twice as useless)

Natually the transport costs a fortune so cripples expansion badly. With militia being so good at defence now you lose a TON of bombers capping early game.... So why use sky menace?

My thought is that MoS is to week now... I have quit playing it but I think if I buy Militia and use them to defend towns it may be better. so yes I am feeling the same thing its seems MoS and Sky Menace needs a little more money to get them going then others but then they are still good strats. so maybe things are being more balanced

I don't know but it defently seems weak. Also why do tanks have more attack than bombers? That makes no sense at all. Maybe bombers need to have a bonus against some other units, I'm thinking militia and tanks because that is sort of how it works in real life....

Not militia... tanks would make seance for JUST bomber

Well anyway this goes back to the question of what bombers are for in this game. In real life they are very expensive but dominate the battlefield especially militia and tanks. In afterwind they have no use except for quickly attacking a garrison and then they have less attack than a tank not really a huge amount more movement and can not even capture the town. They are not even good at quick attacks unless you have sky menace!

I really have no idea why they have balanced it like this...

I too think that MoS is somewhat weak at the moment. And before you go off King Cow, know that I got funds by China in that game.
I would have never been able to keep up with you and GB if it weren't for those funds. Because of that I usually tend to use PD these days and only switch to MoS when that get's too boring.
Also, here is what the devs said about bombers:

Tsiteeri:

Bomber and Stealth also now have more differences. Bomber is 6/6, making it ok at attack, but it's now also able to escort Tanks and other weak units, having a very decent defence. Stealth, on the other hand, is better at attacking, but has weak defence (7/4).

Inf is better for escort and stealth bombers are to expensive I have not seen anyone build one since updates.
And go off on one? I was just mad at useless bombers you were the one being rude to me in that game. For no reason, get over it what ever it is.

"Go off" because you like to complain. Other than that I have no problem with you and didn't want to be rude. That's all.

Well we must just of had a few misunderstandings then...

You didn't saw stealth ?

Any game I play I'll build from 10 to ....50.

Bombers?

Stealth bombers yes.

Bombers use is their tremendous range which allows them to be in the right place at the right time....
Imagine you've just had your defensive lines in Berlin broken by an Asian player --unlike any other player you can send in your bombers from as far away as UK and Russia to defend Berlin and thwart the attack which no other player could--in a game where stack size matters, the sky menace player can send his large stacks rapidly across the map to devastate the opponents while the other players trudge along slowly....

They are not that much faster than other units though with a airtransport + the disadvantage of not being able to cap towns...

Kirjutas n00less cluebie, 01.03.2011 at 12:47

Bombers use is their tremendous range which allows them to be in the right place at the right time....
Imagine you've just had your defensive lines in Berlin broken by an Asian player --unlike any other player you can send in your bombers from as far away as UK and Russia to defend Berlin and thwart the attack which no other player could--in a game where stack size matters, the sky menace player can send his large stacks rapidly across the map to devastate the opponents while the other players trudge along slowly....

I can't write it better than that, thanks Nooless

Any other player could use sea transports from london and get to berlin remember. also bombers can not transport units so take into account the cost of airtransport+ the fact they can only take 4 units. Also to make a stack of bombers + airtransports you need to make two movements (no drag and drop) so its also easier for the other player to move block you.

You hit half Europe with bombers close to Frankfurt, no other land units can do that: hitting 3 or 4 cities then next turn you hit a cap reforming a big stack.

But you can not capture those towns and bombers are weak enouth that splitting them like that means you will lose half of them, even if you stack thats the case.

Each strategy has it's strengths and weaknesses; Sky Menace is quick response--yes, it may he difficult to launch overwhelming occupying force attacks, but you are more than capable of facing any force on the battlefield to your own benefit. You have the speed of the Blitz strategy PLUS the defense of bombers at the cost of slower city conquering...and air transports combined with infantry is faster than tanks even with blitz if you use both the AT's movement points AND the infantries....And there even more effective strategies which I do not care to reveal at this time for those who want to dedicate themselves to Sky Menace....

Sky menace early expansion is twice as slow as anyone else it's to much of a disadvantage.

There is nothing to say that you have to use bombers to expand in the early game.

Well if you use normal units why use skymenace? You would be at a disadvantage either way.

What I'm saying is if the issue is expanding with sky menace bombers you can use cheaper units such as larger stacks of infantry to expand and then produce air units. Relying completely on one unit is almost never a good strategy.

Either way your growth will be stunted, PD playes almost always only have inf, navy players have mostly battleships, tank general mostly tanks and so on..

You are saying to use sky menace I should not use bombers, well yeah hmmmm....

If you're going to choose to focus on one aspect of what I'm saying that's fine, if you would like to play the way the majority of other people play that is fine, but if you're not going to consider other strategies and instead just complain you aren't contributing much.

I don't even know if you are saying bombers have a problem or not. Can I assume you think they do have a problem if you are saying I should not use them with sky menace?

Because if a tank general player came here saying tanks were weak and I tell him to use other units I dont think i would be helping him or contributing.

eh I know you are trying to help though.

Kirjutas King Cow, 01.03.2011 at 16:52

I don't even know if you are saying bombers have a problem or not. Can I assume you think they do have a problem if you are saying I should not use them with sky menace?

Because if a tank general player came here saying tanks were weak and I tell him to use other units I dont think i would be helping him or contributing.

Well saying don't use tanks to him would help me....invade his capitol XD

Kirjutas King Cow, 01.03.2011 at 15:53

navy players have mostly battleships

Wrong. I have played NC for almost 40 games in a row, and I rely just as much on infantry as I do on battleships, in later game.