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Postitatud Nations, 22.06.2015 - 02:56
Atwar its a nice and addicting game,we all know that.However it can have way more players if it is advertised properly by admins.I have heard several occasions were admins had chances of advertising the game yet for some reason they didnt.Take as expample that fb page of creyente which had 10k likes i think and admins didnt add themselves in it.Also what most of you dont know is that this game pays them 26(!)k per year.My father makes 15k per year and a 4 members family can live properly.So dont tell me that 26k arent enough for 2 people to live meaning 13k each.In addition to this i really cant understand why they dont invest more money in this game to make it make even more money like 50k so they can advance it even more.Thats called progress and advance of a game,increasing its budget will increase total payout.Admins cant understand that for some reason.All you need is to advertise the game and get more Mods that actually do their job.Cause many times i ve reported players to mods and they did nothing,for example i reported once a player rank 6 playing in begginers room and the answer i got was "he is gone now anyway",LOL! In addition to all these,why they dont hire a programmer after all,there are so many people out there who are unemployed and can do nice work with a low salary.But again admins cant understand that.Why they dont at least try to understand...Also why they dont invest in new servers(is THAT expensive?!?!?!) or never listen to the community!Please dont start attacking and discuss properly and express opinion will VALID arguments.Thanks in advance.Atwar can have 300 players in lobby,not 60.
29.06.2015 - 18:28
Kirjutas Waffel, 29.06.2015 at 05:45

Kirjutas Nations, 26.06.2015 at 02:38

also Holland has x3 Greek debt

LOL WHAT? Holland has no debts towards EU... we are rich enough to freaking fund ourselves, but thanks to you and your country almost all of europe is economizing and trying to survive and not get bankrupt like your country..


you what now? how does 500 billion public debt sound? How does 2,5 trillion external debt sound? Since 2007 you managed to add 200 billion to your public debt and almost doubled your percentage of public debt per gdp. How is that no debt? And how is that our fault? Maybe you need to pay taxes yourself and cut public spending. Also looking at the external debt graphs and then saying Greece is the reason all Europeans are economizing now is ridiculously absurd, ignorant and plain stupid. Moreso, the supposed money European taxpayers pay for Greece, are going to German and French banks and not to Greece. Certainly not to Greeks, as they recieved only 10 % of all those money and yet we pay 10 fucking billions EVERY FUCKING YEAR TO POOR GOOD HELPFULL EUROPE FOR INTEREST.Whats more interesting is that Eurogroup, imf and Merkel have control of Greece's finances since 2009, so i dont know , maybe fucking blame them? They took control of the wheel. But no we ve been following Eurogroups program for 5 years now, we abide by every single subhuman and austerity measure and the program still failed. But offcourse its our fault, got it.

As i have said, (you and other ignorant faggots), go check on Miley Cyrus new boyfriend and Kim Cardashian tips for huge butt and stay out of serious matters you know shit about.
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29.06.2015 - 18:31
You might have skipped a few first sentences khal of that wiki page... where it says "use caution" when refrencing this list si nce it shows total debt of government plus citizens and it also says some countries "debt" is actually credit they gave.

There is also a difference between someone being solvent being able to pay the debts interest and rate and does who are close to bankrupcy.

But im just pointing out to wiki page...
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29.06.2015 - 18:34
Kirjutas Goblin, 29.06.2015 at 18:31

You might have skipped a few first sentences khal of that wiki page... where it says "use caution" when refrencing this list si nce it shows total debt of government plus citizens and it also says some countries "debt" is actually credit they gave.

There is also a difference between someone being solvent being able to pay the debts interest and rate and does who are close to bankrupcy.


not the only page ive been to. All lists have the same results more or less, from other sites aswell. Are you debating the numbers? Do you think they are wrong? Its not that hard to find a countries debt you know. lol goblin..

As for your second point i agree, but i fail to see how it connects to the discussion in this thread.
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29.06.2015 - 18:42
Kirjutas Earthbound, 29.06.2015 at 18:37

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 29.06.2015 at 18:17

Kirjutas Amok, 26.06.2015 at 04:04

Kirjutas Nations, 26.06.2015 at 02:38

also Holland has x3 Greek debt

Almost the opposite is true, actually


Im sorry but its actually not. What you linked is "public debt per gdp". I believe the guy said Netherlands debt is x3 times that of Greece. Therfore this is the correct graph you should have linked click here

Its clear that not only Netherlands but so many other countries have so much more public debt in euros than Greece.

Moreso if we also see the numbers on "external" debt and external debt per gdp, if only for a reality check, we would find lots of interesting things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt


Nah, you're wrong. Greece has over twice the amount of debt that the Netherlands has. As a percentage of a GDP, Greece's debt is 175.1% while the Netherlands is only at 75%. That's the only relevant way measure debt and explains how the U.S. can have 18 trillion of it without defaulting.


Maybe learn how to construct a sentence before you attempt to play with words on me. How it has TWICE the ammount of debt IF THE AMMOUNT OF DEBT IS HALF. IT HAS DOUBLE PERCENTAGE OF DEBT/GDP AND NOT AMMOUNT. It is the only "relevant" way to measure debt, IF you are interested in the capabilities of said country to repay its debt, yes i agree. But again not the topic at hand.
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29.06.2015 - 18:56
Kirjutas Earthbound, 29.06.2015 at 18:49


So what are we talking about then. Greece still owes more to the EU because it cant pay jack. Maybe the Netherlands has more debt - as an amount - but it least it can remain solvent in making its interest payments on time.


That is correct and I never denied that and neither did anybody else here. I responded to specific "false" statements and accusations with specific arguments, to clear the misinformation that seemed to be in the air.

p.s. Greece still doesnt owe more to Eu than Netherlands. That is just not true. Doesnt matter if Greece cant pay its debts and NL can, the amount is still lower and so it still owes less.
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30.06.2015 - 02:21
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 29.06.2015 at 18:28

Kirjutas Waffel, 29.06.2015 at 05:45

Kirjutas Nations, 26.06.2015 at 02:38

also Holland has x3 Greek debt

LOL WHAT? Holland has no debts towards EU... we are rich enough to freaking fund ourselves, but thanks to you and your country almost all of europe is economizing and trying to survive and not get bankrupt like your country..


you what now? how does 500 billion public debt sound? How does 2,5 trillion external debt sound? Since 2007 you managed to add 200 billion to your public debt and almost doubled your percentage of public debt per gdp. How is that no debt? And how is that our fault? Maybe you need to pay taxes yourself and cut public spending. Also looking at the external debt graphs and then saying Greece is the reason all Europeans are economizing now is ridiculously absurd, ignorant and plain stupid. Moreso, the supposed money European taxpayers pay for Greece, are going to German and French banks and not to Greece. Certainly not to Greeks, as they recieved only 10 % of all those money and yet we pay 10 fucking billions EVERY FUCKING YEAR TO POOR GOOD HELPFULL EUROPE FOR INTEREST.Whats more interesting is that Eurogroup, imf and Merkel have control of Greece's finances since 2009, so i dont know , maybe fucking blame them? They took control of the wheel. But no we ve been following Eurogroups program for 5 years now, we abide by every single subhuman and austerity measure and the program still failed. But offcourse its our fault, got it.

As i have said, (you and other ignorant faggots), go check on Miley Cyrus new boyfriend and Kim Cardashian tips for huge butt and stay out of serious matters you know shit about.

you dont deserve to be named greek you juse fo watch TV and believe anything they say then thunk you are informed i dont even think you are worth of an answer honestlty so im not going to give you one.Just tell merkel to give us the money she owns us from her granpas war.
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30.06.2015 - 02:26
I like how everyone has an opinion about greece withiut even living in greece and getting informed my goverment controlled media who here and 2 days insist in voting yes no i wont fuck this shit europe we dont have to eat fuck EE you have destroyed Greece,Greeks work most that any other nation in EE,I dont blame nations that are part of EE,I blame EE.Anyway i stop here its a long story to explain and i dont intend to.
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30.06.2015 - 10:19
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 29.06.2015 at 18:34

not the only page ive been to. All lists have the same results more or less, from other sites aswell. Are you debating the numbers? Do you think they are wrong? Its not that hard to find a countries debt you know. lol goblin..

I am debating the way you interpreted does numbers, didn't read the explanations above them or put an effort to educate your self about the meanings of the terms such as... first of all DEBT, then macro, micro economy, being solvent or insolvent, deficit, GDP, investments etc. etc. etc.

What is debt Khal?... ...you guys think of debt as being broke and not able to return the money to someone

- Debt just means you owe something to someone
- Debt doesn't give an answer about are you solvent (capable of meeting your financial obligations... meaning paying interest and credit rates)
- Debt does not equal to a loan <-------- it can mean bonds you issued, deposits on bank accounts in your country etc.

This is why countries like Luxembourg and Switzerland scored high on your list... and if you think Lux or Switz are in financial troubles then ...fucking lol Khal.
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30.06.2015 - 13:11
...what is this crazy battle of rants?

A couple years on AtWar and I'm starting to doubt the ability of the average person to remain civil under stress.

You folks do not have to curse at your opponents in incoherent paragraphs. To say nothing is probably better than posting such a rant.
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30.06.2015 - 13:14
Kirjutas Waffel, 30.06.2015 at 05:38

Lmao, this is the way how greece deals with their debts? Trying to push it on another country XD. I literally think you should take a visit when you can affort one to amsterdam and watch how it is here, we dont have lines at our banks to take up our savingmoney, yes our economy sucked for a plenty of years, but thats most likely the fault of those crisises in america, and lets not forget your shitty country entering the EU. And Obviously nl has some debts but those are probably able to pay which is why not made a big deal of. Instead of that, you and your ignorant greek friends sit in bathouses and talk about how you hate muslims and blablabla?
And for your information, every country in EU has debts lately and thats most and certainly the fault of your country entering the EU which shouldn't of happen in the first place. The debts of NL are way under the avarage. Your country lied for years about your budget, if you didn't we could've prevented this shit and actually expanded, but no. we have to economize because some shittards in greece. You guys have 175% debts, when NL had in 2014 around 67%... I dont know if you have dyscalculia (if you even know what this means) but seriously open your eyes once.

I love how you go offtopic and talk about miley cyrus and kim cardashian shit trying to hurt me? But atleast I am not drowning in my own debts here and I feel good by that. Once again khal, your emotions taking the worst part of you and ofcourse you trying to win every discussion that goes about greece bcs simply hey, '' we didnt get any money from eu, so we have no debts'' thoughts.

Pitty, you are reacting your frustrations ,because ur country is a mess at this moment, on me.

Ps. Lmao I took a look at the population of greece > 11 mil. XD, thats even less than NL feel bad pls.. I bet you guys have no problems with all these foreigners from africa which WE need to fund in our countries, while you guys cant even take care of yourselves.


im not even gonna...

As i said go comment on Miley Cyrus videos, you have nothing to contribute to this conversation except making a fool of yourself as usual. I wonder why you still bother loging in on atwar.

Anyway, in response to your post, underneath a wall of abhominem, lots of fallacies and your racist, stereotypical opinions, obviously stemming from a deeply uneducated mind, theres nothing of substance here and not a single even decent argument.

I dont claim to be an expert on anything, i just try to make sure that i have done my research before i open my mouth and post something, something i really wish you start doing, because it is going to help you immensly in your real life aswell. Doesnt matter if you live in NL and you are rich, its time to mature and stop talking like a 5 year old girl.

Anyway, my points all stand, you failed to properly adress even one, except throwing a vomit of unsubstanciated claims and accusations and trying to make all this a competition between countries, when i simply corrected your shamefull ignorance.
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30.06.2015 - 13:21
Kirjutas Nations, 30.06.2015 at 02:21

you dont deserve to be named greek you juse fo watch TV and believe anything they say then thunk you are informed i dont even think you are worth of an answer honestlty so im not going to give you one.Just tell merkel to give us the money she owns us from her granpas war.


and yet im here defending the one thing that came out of your stupid mouth and it wasnt bullshit. And in return i get all the heat from these guys cause you probably made them all angry with your idiotic comments. If you could prove your accusations with i dont know creating an argument maybe, do it. Otherwise shut it and stop your idiotic patriotic bullshit about Greece too. Nobody wants to hear it and in the end you gonna make every one flame Greece and i will have to fight and its all gonna be because you are a clown and a joke. Just stop posting about Greece and if possible change your avatar too.
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30.06.2015 - 13:40
Kirjutas Waffel, 30.06.2015 at 13:25


Lmao? god... you are just an awfull person khal. I guess its the teenaging fase, or just straight out period.
You used to be a funny person to talk/play with. But lately, you attack everyone who disagrees with you, you attack everyone who is right and you cant accept the fact that sometimes, just sometimes, you are wrong. Its really annoying how you turned out as a person.

And now you probably will say I used to be fun to blablabla, yes I was. But how this community socializes, it just changes the way of peoples approach towards them.


i dont have time for your emotional drivel, i am a busy person and im tired. This is the last time i am responding to you. For the last time, show me where i am wrong. Prove it to me and i will shut up and apologise to you. If you cant, stop talking to me and start seeing a therapist.
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30.06.2015 - 13:50
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 30.06.2015 at 13:40

Kirjutas Waffel, 30.06.2015 at 13:25


Lmao? god... you are just an awfull person khal. I guess its the teenaging fase, or just straight out period.
You used to be a funny person to talk/play with. But lately, you attack everyone who disagrees with you, you attack everyone who is right and you cant accept the fact that sometimes, just sometimes, you are wrong. Its really annoying how you turned out as a person.

And now you probably will say I used to be fun to blablabla, yes I was. But how this community socializes, it just changes the way of peoples approach towards them.


i dont have time for your emotional drivel, i am a busy person and im tired. This is the last time i am responding to you. For the last time, show me where i am wrong. Prove it to me and i will shut up and apologise to you. If you cant, stop talking to me and start seeing a therapist.

This is on google. If you khal google a liar and that google is working with me and is against you, then idk anymore khal.
As it is in dutch, idk if you can see the countries, the green one is NL the red one is Greece


Stop being so lame.. making problems out of nothing. I only commented back to you because you started talking shit. Didn't even talk to you in the first place but towards the other greek.
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30.06.2015 - 13:56
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 30.06.2015 at 13:00


You can rant, rage and insult me all you want... fact remains you don't know shit about economics and can't read statistical data.

EDIT: oh btw. just because you have gone the extra mile to insult me... even tho i said nothing bad about Greece but merely pointed your claim was wrong.

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30.06.2015 - 14:20
Kirjutas Waffel, 30.06.2015 at 14:05

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 30.06.2015 at 14:00

Waffel you just took the whole discussion back to square 1. Just stop it.

You asked me about the proof, well I think this is quiet proof isn't it? ...
I don't care if you are even as poor as alexmeza.. its just that you should stop attacking/flamewarring/insulting like a tiran...


Jesus fucking christ waffel. Are you doing this on purpose to piss me off? You know the graph you posted is EXACTLY THE SAME with the one Amok posted in page 5 and is the one that actually started all this freaking discussion? You didnt read a single thing written here, did you? Tell the truth.
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30.06.2015 - 14:50
I wonder how this turned out to be a flamingwar between NL and greece debts... I delete my comments, it is a waste of this beautifull thread where amok and ivan response more withing in a year! xD + legendairy bitchycomments
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30.06.2015 - 14:58
You are right.

i know i was in the right, but i can see i was excessively agressive in my responses, deleted my goblin post aswell. its a touchy subject. apologies.
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30.06.2015 - 15:12
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 30.06.2015 at 14:58

You are right.

i know i was in the right, but i can see i was excessively agressive in my responses. its a touchy subject. apologies.

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30.06.2015 - 19:43
How from talking about atwar's potentials and stuff we end up with waffel and khal arguing.lol
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01.07.2015 - 01:27
Kirjutas Cold Case, 30.06.2015 at 19:43

How from talking about atwar's potentials and stuff we end up with waffel and khal arguing.lol

Nationalism.
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01.07.2015 - 01:52
Kirjutas International, 01.07.2015 at 01:27


Nationalism.


Nationalism is good thing
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01.07.2015 - 01:54
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 30.06.2015 at 13:21


and yet im here defending the one thing that came out of your stupid mouth and it wasnt bullshit. And in return i get all the heat from these guys cause you probably made them all angry with your idiotic comments. If you could prove your accusations with i dont know creating an argument maybe, do it. Otherwise shut it and stop your idiotic patriotic bullshit about Greece too. Nobody wants to hear it and in the end you gonna make every one flame Greece and i will have to fight and its all gonna be because you are a clown and a joke. Just stop posting about Greece and if possible change your avatar too.


I laughed so hardly on this comment, my mother thought im high
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01.07.2015 - 01:56
Kirjutas Croat, 01.07.2015 at 01:52

Kirjutas International, 01.07.2015 at 01:27


Nationalism.


Nationalism is good thing

Only sometimes.
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01.07.2015 - 03:11
Kirjutas Goblin, 01.07.2015 at 02:31




Haha thats not nationalism, neither patriotism... those jerkd are greedy fuck8jg politicans whose only nation is money. Dont mix them with real patriots.

Fucking fake patriots of politicans killed our country by robbing it, not a single nationalist or patriot
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01.07.2015 - 03:47
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 30.06.2015 at 13:21

Kirjutas Nations, 30.06.2015 at 02:21

you dont deserve to be named greek you juse fo watch TV and believe anything they say then thunk you are informed i dont even think you are worth of an answer honestlty so im not going to give you one.Just tell merkel to give us the money she owns us from her granpas war.


and yet im here defending the one thing that came out of your stupid mouth and it wasnt bullshit. And in return i get all the heat from these guys cause you probably made them all angry with your idiotic comments. If you could prove your accusations with i dont know creating an argument maybe, do it. Otherwise shut it and stop your idiotic patriotic bullshit about Greece too. Nobody wants to hear it and in the end you gonna make every one flame Greece and i will have to fight and its all gonna be because you are a clown and a joke. Just stop posting about Greece and if possible change your avatar too.

Only idiotic thing here is them end of story.
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01.07.2015 - 04:03
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 23.06.2015 at 14:56

Kirjutas Amok, 22.06.2015 at 08:00

Yeah but what about drugs and hookers? Can't get these for free!


Come to Athens homie and ill hook you up. You ll have to pay for the drugs cause they got expensive now ( crisis and all) but bitches will be on me. Not even joking, invitation is open for you and Ivan anytime

ill sent u cheap drugs from amsterdam
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01.07.2015 - 04:20
Kirjutas Waffel, 01.07.2015 at 04:03

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 23.06.2015 at 14:56

Kirjutas Amok, 22.06.2015 at 08:00

Yeah but what about drugs and hookers? Can't get these for free!


Come to Athens homie and ill hook you up. You ll have to pay for the drugs cause they got expensive now ( crisis and all) but bitches will be on me. Not even joking, invitation is open for you and Ivan anytime

ill sent u cheap drugs from amsterdam


I appreciate the gesture. But i dont do drugs anymore, knowdays i get my "high" naturally, meaning from working out and having perverted sex
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01.07.2015 - 04:22
Kirjutas Goblin, 30.06.2015 at 13:56


You can rant, rage and insult me all you want...


what are you talking about? i never insulted you..
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01.07.2015 - 04:27
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 01.07.2015 at 04:20

Kirjutas Waffel, 01.07.2015 at 04:03

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 23.06.2015 at 14:56

Kirjutas Amok, 22.06.2015 at 08:00

Yeah but what about drugs and hookers? Can't get these for free!


Come to Athens homie and ill hook you up. You ll have to pay for the drugs cause they got expensive now ( crisis and all) but bitches will be on me. Not even joking, invitation is open for you and Ivan anytime

ill sent u cheap drugs from amsterdam


I appreciate the gesture. But i dont do drugs anymore, knowdays i get my "high" naturally, meaning from working out and having perverted sex

dont forget the socks/panties :$
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