Question for Brianwl

Remember when you accused capitalism (modern society) of using money as a currency and owning humans through birth certificate? You said that money have to be withdrawn from usage and instead create credit system as a value measurement for goods and labor. That is cashless society kind of.

But i'll ask you; how to stop people 'hoarding' credits and use it to pay things they want? That looks to me, we are back at square one because credits will be used as currency again, for exchange, for purchasing everything two parties agree (seller & buyer)

I would also ask about birth certificate, how is that slavery when it only proves origin, birth date and demographic statistics. But i know you probably don't have a ready answer for that.

Had to upvote because I like talking about money and econ and such

Kirjutas MrArmy987, 12.01.2017 at 15:17

Had to upvote because I like talking about money and econ and such

What political system do you prefer? What economic system you like?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 12.01.2017 at 16:03

What political system do you prefer? What economic system you like?

I don't know exactly what you mean by political system, I suppose I would say Representative Democracy if that is what you were asking. For economic system I personally love seeing the free market work so naturally and efficiently. That being said I don't want pure laissez faire, keynes helped us out in deciding that question. In the free market I like seeing how everything ends up where it should be naturally. Recessions occur, people lose jobs, wages fall, people get jobs, output returns to the normal output.

I'm by no means educated about economics but its just so fun to see all the systems at work (more fun in theory though, since every fiscal or monetary policy has a 'known' outcome in theory). I just get giddy

Kirjutas MrArmy987, 12.01.2017 at 16:44

I don't know exactly what you mean by political system, I suppose I would say Representative Democracy if that is what you were asking. For economic system I personally love seeing the free market work so naturally and efficiently. That being said I don't want pure laissez faire, keynes helped us out in deciding that question. In the free market I like seeing how everything ends up where it should be naturally. Recessions occur, people lose jobs, wages fall, people get jobs, output returns to the normal output.

I'm by no means educated about economics but its just so fun to see all the systems at work (more fun in theory though, since every fiscal or monetary policy has a 'known' outcome in theory). I just get giddy

Speaking about nature and economics, you should do Economic Mentality Test (by Sweden). To see what kind of natural economics you should pursue (free, planned, cashless, ideological, wartime) (then you can see what systems are easy to implement in your nation, and what would be accepted harder)

Long ago, Sweden tested people's mentality, by using one supermarket and telling people there won't be workers, so they have to take products and leave money themselves, pay for products as much as you wish, or not at all (there are prices you can see, for every product, but you didn't had to pay). After one week, test ended and organizators checked the store, how much money it earned, and calculated with how many products was taken/sold by the customers.
And after they counted products, they declared its worth ( forgot real number) like $10,000 and they found $10,500 in the cash register. Apparently some customers were shy to take change themselves or didn't want change, so supermarket earned more WITHOUT workers, by simply being open for 7 days without supervision.

Then test was repeated in Russia, first day all products were taken and no one paid for it. Second day people came and took the shelves, doors and windows from the store. The end.

Question for brianwl

>>>Post on forum.

K

Kirjutas Guest, 13.01.2017 at 02:55

Question for brianwl

>>>Post on forum.

K

I like it all transparent and public so everyone can see and involve if they like the topic. We've done it multiple times before, but you wouldn't know that, you just created account. Malaysia recently got internet.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 13.01.2017 at 08:58

Kirjutas Guest, 13.01.2017 at 02:55

Question for brianwl

>>>Post on forum.

K

I like it all transparent and public so everyone can see and involve if they like the topic. We've done it multiple times before, but you wouldn't know that, you just created account. Malaysia recently got internet.

Cheap insult, Malaysia>serbia

Kirjutas Guest, 13.01.2017 at 09:20

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 13.01.2017 at 08:58

Kirjutas Guest, 13.01.2017 at 02:55

Question for brianwl

>>>Post on forum.

K

I like it all transparent and public so everyone can see and involve if they like the topic. We've done it multiple times before, but you wouldn't know that, you just created account. Malaysia recently got internet.

Cheap insult, Malaysia>serbia

he isnt from serbia...

Kirjutas Oleg, 13.01.2017 at 10:36

Kirjutas Guest, 13.01.2017 at 09:20

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 13.01.2017 at 08:58

Kirjutas Guest, 13.01.2017 at 02:55

Question for brianwl

>>>Post on forum.

K

I like it all transparent and public so everyone can see and involve if they like the topic. We've done it multiple times before, but you wouldn't know that, you just created account. Malaysia recently got internet.

Cheap insult, Malaysia>serbia

he isnt from serbia...

Go away zionist

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 12.01.2017 at 14:14

Remember when you accused capitalism (modern society) of using money as a currency and owning humans through birth certificate? You said that money have to be withdrawn from usage and instead create credit system as a value measurement for goods and labor. That is cashless society kind of.

But i'll ask you; how to stop people 'hoarding' credits and use it to pay things they want? That looks to me, we are back at square one because credits will be used as currency again, for exchange, for purchasing everything two parties agree (seller & buyer)

I would also ask about birth certificate, how is that slavery when it only proves origin, birth date and demographic statistics. But i know you probably don't have a ready answer for that.

These are deep questions, so one at a time maybe. Hoarding 'credits' once everyone's basic needs are met isn't a problem. For instance... let's say you had your food, water, shelter, and communication (with education as a subset of communication) needs all met. What would you lack? Nothing except 'luxury' items (with luxury being an extremely broad sense of the word). So, sure, the greedy could still play their 'hoarding' games, but it would not be to anyone's detriment. They are free to hoard, because everyone's basic needs to meet their full potential already met... their limits are no longer controlled by others (greedy self-serving perhaps?) - only their own drive to contribute, learn and better themselves.

The birth certificate item is a bit more technical. Keep in mind that by definition, slaves are 'property' of 'someone'. A birth certificate, like any certificate, is a financial instrument with a commercial definition. In exceptionally simple terms, it is the fact that you use a financial instrument (property) to identify yourself that you 'voluntarily' submit yourself to slavery. Once a slave, you have to play by the master's rules... in most Western nations, the number of 'rules' (i.e. 'laws', which are never called laws because it is unlawful to have slaves, but they call them 'acts', 'statutes', 'regulations', 'bylaws' etc.) are in the thousands. If you want a crash course in the commercial laws, just compare your birth certificate with any other original bill of sale. It has all the same features (date, origin, as you mentioned, and usually a serial number.) That's all it takes to 'commercialize' something... a date, an origin and reference number.

Does this help with the main points?

Kirjutas brianwl, 13.01.2017 at 14:57

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 12.01.2017 at 14:14

Remember when you accused capitalism (modern society) of using money as a currency and owning humans through birth certificate? You said that money have to be withdrawn from usage and instead create credit system as a value measurement for goods and labor. That is cashless society kind of.

But i'll ask you; how to stop people 'hoarding' credits and use it to pay things they want? That looks to me, we are back at square one because credits will be used as currency again, for exchange, for purchasing everything two parties agree (seller & buyer)

I would also ask about birth certificate, how is that slavery when it only proves origin, birth date and demographic statistics. But i know you probably don't have a ready answer for that.

These are deep questions, so one at a time maybe. Hoarding 'credits' once everyone's basic needs are met isn't a problem. For instance... let's say you had your food, water, shelter, and communication (with education as a subset of communication) needs all met. What would you lack? Nothing except 'luxury' items (with luxury being an extremely broad sense of the word). So, sure, the greedy could still play their 'hoarding' games, but it would not be to anyone's detriment. They are free to hoard, because everyone's basic needs to meet their full potential already met... their limits are no longer controlled by others (greedy self-serving perhaps?) - only their own drive to contribute, learn and better themselves.

The birth certificate item is a bit more technical. Keep in mind that by definition, slaves are 'property' of 'someone'. A birth certificate, like any certificate, is a financial instrument with a commercial definition. In exceptionally simple terms, it is the fact that you use a financial instrument (property) to identify yourself that you 'voluntarily' submit yourself to slavery. Once a slave, you have to play by the master's rules... in most Western nations, the number of 'rules' (i.e. 'laws', which are never called laws because it is unlawful to have slaves, but they call them 'acts', 'statutes', 'regulations', 'bylaws' etc.) are in the thousands. If you want a crash course in the commercial laws, just compare your birth certificate with any other original bill of sale. It has all the same features (date, origin, as you mentioned, and usually a serial number.) That's all it takes to 'commercialize' something... a date, an origin and reference number.

Does this help with the main points?

Ehm too much utopia dreaming

Kirjutas Free_Warrior, 13.01.2017 at 16:02

Ehm too much utopia dreaming

of course - thanks for the contribution ♥

Living stock...
)Did you know for instance that your birth certificate is a security on the New York stock market? All birth certificates in the US will tell you on the bottom "This is printed on security papers. Do not accept if not on full color security paper." Then on the right hand corner you will always have a series of red numbers printed on the birth certificate. Those numbers are a security stock exchange number on the world stock exchange. You can go to any stock office and give them those numbers and you can see what your birth certificate (Your Stock) is worth. They will check it on the stock exchange and find YOU, your birth certificate is a stock on the stock exchange in America. Why? Because you are worth money to the international bank that bought you in 1930

The Nazi concept that every human coming out of their mothers water must be birthed and must have a birth certificate to find out how much they will make us in our new world order.

There are three main beliefs about birth certificates in freeman mythology:

1)The government uses them to create your strawman and legal person to which all your legal responsibilities, debts and liabilities belong.

2)As a form of registration, they transfer ownership of an individual to the state. This is what allows the state to seize your children if you don't play by their rules.

3)They are financial instruments or birth-tracking bonds (a.k.a. live birth bonds) that are sold by the government and then traded on the sea of international commerce, using you as security (an idea taken from the redemption movement).

Freemen claim the government secures the value of its fiat currency using its own citizens' birth certificate "bonds." It is claimed that the value of an individual's "bond" may reach into the billions. It's interesting to see how the alleged value of the Birth Certificate has changed over time. When the conspiracy theory started in the US the value was estimated at ~$630,000 USD more recent versions of this conspiracy theory put the value of Birth Certificates in the billions.

This can supposedly be proven by entering the numbers on one's birth certificate into various stock-tracking sites to show the current value of one's "bond" on the market. Several popular Youtube videos claim to show evidence that numbers on Birth Certificates are actually CUSIP numbers. In reality, CUSIP numbers are 9 digit alpha-numerical codes. Birth Certificate numbers for the US are 11 digits long. UK birth certificate serial numbers are 10 digits long. In Canada the number is 12 digits long.

Notwithstanding this, freemen believe that one can access the money represented by one's own "bond" though various pseudolegal methods and by filing forms with government agencies. There are plenty of conmen, fraudsters and snake-oil salesmen selling methods on how to achieve this to gullible fools. Naturally, none have ever been shown to work.

The value of one's birth certificate "bond" can also supposedly be used to discharge one's debts and financial liabilities through a process known as "acceptance for value" or "A4V", without the freeman having to gain direct access to the funds himself. The UK Treasury has stated that the existence of these bonds, as well as various other freeman financial concepts, are myths.

Kirjutas brianwl, 13.01.2017 at 14:57

These are deep questions, so one at a time maybe. Hoarding 'credits' once everyone's basic needs are met isn't a problem. For instance... let's say you had your food, water, shelter, and communication (with education as a subset of communication) needs all met. What would you lack? Nothing except 'luxury' items (with luxury being an extremely broad sense of the word). So, sure, the greedy could still play their 'hoarding' games, but it would not be to anyone's detriment. They are free to hoard, because everyone's basic needs to meet their full potential already met... their limits are no longer controlled by others (greedy self-serving perhaps?) - only their own drive to contribute, learn and better themselves.

You say because all basic needs are fullfilled, so that reminds me of United States (let's use it because it have more people, corporations and money than Canada or other western states); All American basic needs are fullfilled; electricity, running water, roads, hospitals and schools, military(defense), police and order, so by your definition corporations and greedy are free to hoard, and as i see it then it's legal because all basic needs are fullfilled, where is the injustice then?

US minimum wage is what like; 1500? average is 3000? But American who graduate college can easily find job and have 5k a month, of course i take in consideration on money number in comparison to other countries, not PPP., but still it is a big number to earn a month.

But if we want to take PPP in consideration, then a Chinese who have 2000 dollars salary A YEAR can still buy all the necessary stuff he need and plus spend some more on luxury stuff, but not much, so he is not much worse than American in comparison. Saying all this we see almost the same level ground in two parts of the globe where people are 'tucked 'in' with basic needs and now we can let greedy and corporations hoard money.

Which brings me to the point; if everything is like i typed above, then injustice made by 'elite' are small and can be solved by court and suit, no need for revolution and turning society upside down. Why then change the system to credit based?

Also, how to know when we switch to credit-based system, that credits won't be misused like money in current capitalist system? I'll produce apples, have a farm, then i will use credits i earned to buy more farm, expand business, then use credits to bribe local politicians to allow me to buy more land (which is not for sale for some (national) reason), i'll expand business again and earn tons of credits, then use it to pay parties, lobby for my interest and even expand business to banas, car industry, defense, communications and space exploration after few decades. It will be all over again, history will repeat.

System you talk is created to sustain high living standard, and then some will use credits to bribe leaders to little change the system so he can get little more richer, that change will affect some people and make them poorer, and we are back at square one like in capitalism.

I'm not criticizing, just probing, as i do with communism and capitalism too. I tried to research nazism but apparently it isn't even an ideology, just a criminal killing-spree.

Kirjutas brianwl, 13.01.2017 at 14:57

The birth certificate item is a bit more technical. Keep in mind that by definition, slaves are 'property' of 'someone'. A birth certificate, like any certificate, is a financial instrument with a commercial definition. In exceptionally simple terms, it is the fact that you use a financial instrument (property) to identify yourself that you 'voluntarily' submit yourself to slavery. Once a slave, you have to play by the master's rules... in most Western nations, the number of 'rules' (i.e. 'laws', which are never called laws because it is unlawful to have slaves, but they call them 'acts', 'statutes', 'regulations', 'bylaws' etc.) are in the thousands. If you want a crash course in the commercial laws, just compare your birth certificate with any other original bill of sale. It has all the same features (date, origin, as you mentioned, and usually a serial number.) That's all it takes to 'commercialize' something... a date, an origin and reference number.

Does this help with the main points?

So you're saying, when a baby is born, birth certificate is a bond which allows the government to loan additional money to itself because it is backed by that baby?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 14.01.2017 at 12:46

Kirjutas brianwl, 13.01.2017 at 14:57

These are deep questions, so one at a time maybe. Hoarding 'credits' once everyone's basic needs are met isn't a problem. For instance... let's say you had your food, water, shelter, and communication (with education as a subset of communication) needs all met. What would you lack? Nothing except 'luxury' items (with luxury being an extremely broad sense of the word). So, sure, the greedy could still play their 'hoarding' games, but it would not be to anyone's detriment. They are free to hoard, because everyone's basic needs to meet their full potential already met... their limits are no longer controlled by others (greedy self-serving perhaps?) - only their own drive to contribute, learn and better themselves.

"You say because all basic needs are fullfilled, so that reminds me of United States (let's use it because it have more people, corporations and money than Canada or other western states); All American basic needs are fullfilled; electricity, running water, roads, hospitals and schools, military(defense), police and order, so by your definition corporations and greedy are free to hoard, and as i see it then it's legal because all basic needs are fullfilled, where is the injustice then?"

You have said 'all' American basic needs are fulfilled. i am not sure the best source to estimate the actual number of homeless in the US, but this is from wikipedia, reporting on recent homelessness in children:

In 2013 that number jumped to one out of 30 children, or 2.5 million

This seems high in my view, but even if you take a conservative estimate, the lowest i could find was that 1 to 1.5 million people are homeless in the US... Keep in mind, this is a wealthy nation, as you said, that frankly has no excuse for a single person to be homeless, as it has the material resources and labour pool to give every American not just a roof over their head, but a fairly nice home. (There is also the 'fear' of homelessness, which is in my view, the bigger problem when it comes to crime.)

But yes, the premise that, once those people are housed, (and fed, and have unlimited access to communication and learning) so the fear of being out in the cold is gone, then sure, i'd have no issue with hoarding wealth.

Kirjutas Cheesus_Crust, 14.01.2017 at 07:14

Living stock...
)Did you know for instance that your birth certificate is a security on the New York stock market? All birth certificates in the US will tell you on the bottom "This is printed on security papers. Do not accept if not on full color security paper." Then on the right hand corner you will always have a series of red numbers printed on the birth certificate. Those numbers are a security stock exchange number on the world stock exchange. You can go to any stock office and give them those numbers and you can see what your birth certificate (Your Stock) is worth. They will check it on the stock exchange and find YOU, your birth certificate is a stock on the stock exchange in America. Why? Because you are worth money to the international bank that bought you in 1930

The Nazi concept that every human coming out of their mothers water must be birthed and must have a birth certificate to find out how much they will make us in our new world order.

all of the above is true... if you don't believe, actually do the research yourself to find out before dismissing it.

The idea of credit to create wealth undermines the incentive to bribe. To answer this question, it sometimes helps to model it in a specific situation. But lets take a general case of someone who has all their housing, food, learning, communication needs met. The act of bribing then has essentially no value. Because many of us have been raised in an environment where we lack the essentials, and we view 'money' as the means to get the exchange medium to meet these essentials, we give this 'godlike' value to money. But once your needs are met, 'money' loses it's relevance, and you begin to ask questions like 'what would i really like to do with my life?' Many people like the idea of research, or space exploration, or evolving their minds, or growing a garden, or raising children. All of these options then become 'real' options, once the mad grab for money is no longer the focus. People will (as they do now even in the corporate model) organize to pursue their own interests. For instance, Ellon Musk and spaceX is looking at space exploration. THere's something i'd immediately 'sign' up for. The only reason i don't do it now is Ellon doesn't have a job for me, and i'm not independently wealthy so can't volunteer my time.

In a credit based model, once i made my contribution, i'd spend the rest of my free time helping the good people trying to colonize Mars. ♥

Kirjutas brianwl, 15.01.2017 at 10:44

The idea of credit to create wealth undermines the incentive to bribe. To answer this question, it sometimes helps to model it in a specific situation. But lets take a general case of someone who has all their housing, food, learning, communication needs met. The act of bribing then has essentially no value. Because many of us have been raised in an environment where we lack the essentials, and we view 'money' as the means to get the exchange medium to meet these essentials, we give this 'godlike' value to money. But once your needs are met, 'money' loses it's relevance, and you begin to ask questions like 'what would i really like to do with my life?' Many people like the idea of research, or space exploration, or evolving their minds, or growing a garden, or raising children. All of these options then become 'real' options, once the mad grab for money is no longer the focus. People will (as they do now even in the corporate model) organize to pursue their own interests. For instance, Ellon Musk and spaceX is looking at space exploration. THere's something i'd immediately 'sign' up for. The only reason i don't do it now is Ellon doesn't have a job for me, and i'm not independently wealthy so can't volunteer my time.

In a credit based model, once i made my contribution, i'd spend the rest of my free time helping the good people trying to colonize Mars. ♥

Have you read this ?

Kirjutas Cheesus_Crust, 14.01.2017 at 07:20

There are three main beliefs about birth certificates in freeman mythology:

1)The government uses them to create your strawman and legal person to which all your legal responsibilities, debts and liabilities belong.

2)As a form of registration, they transfer ownership of an individual to the state. This is what allows the state to seize your children if you don't play by their rules.

3)They are financial instruments or birth-tracking bonds (a.k.a. live birth bonds) that are sold by the government and then traded on the sea of international commerce, using you as security (an idea taken from the redemption movement).

Freemen claim the government secures the value of its fiat currency using its own citizens' birth certificate "bonds." It is claimed that the value of an individual's "bond" may reach into the billions. It's interesting to see how the alleged value of the Birth Certificate has changed over time. When the conspiracy theory started in the US the value was estimated at ~$630,000 USD more recent versions of this conspiracy theory put the value of Birth Certificates in the billions.

This can supposedly be proven by entering the numbers on one's birth certificate into various stock-tracking sites to show the current value of one's "bond" on the market. Several popular Youtube videos claim to show evidence that numbers on Birth Certificates are actually CUSIP numbers. In reality, CUSIP numbers are 9 digit alpha-numerical codes. Birth Certificate numbers for the US are 11 digits long. UK birth certificate serial numbers are 10 digits long. In Canada the number is 12 digits long.

Notwithstanding this, freemen believe that one can access the money represented by one's own "bond" though various pseudolegal methods and by filing forms with government agencies. There are plenty of conmen, fraudsters and snake-oil salesmen selling methods on how to achieve this to gullible fools. Naturally, none have ever been shown to work.

The value of one's birth certificate "bond" can also supposedly be used to discharge one's debts and financial liabilities through a process known as "acceptance for value" or "A4V", without the freeman having to gain direct access to the funds himself. The UK Treasury has stated that the existence of these bonds, as well as various other freeman financial concepts, are myths.

Kirjutas Cheesus_Crust, 15.01.2017 at 11:57

Have you read this ?

Yeah, all the main freemen leaders teaching on internet are in jail, or are out now and not making their materials available freely anymore. Not sure what to make of it. There must be some truth to it, because if you don't give a judge a legal (strawman) identifier, judge will act like two year old having a temper tantrum at bedtime. Also, they've been rounding all the speakers up and detaining them... they spend more time and energy on these people than they do on people who spread hate and porn all over the internet, so it seems reasonable they pose a legitimate threat.

Funny cuz they sit there so calm and collected the rest of the time, while listening to rape charges, murders, spitting, fighting in court, and other things that make most of us cringe. But don't give a judge your 'strawman' and you see there is something to it, when they suddenly go bananas.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 14.01.2017 at 12:46

Kirjutas brianwl, 13.01.2017 at 14:57

These are deep questions, so one at a time maybe. Hoarding 'credits' once everyone's basic needs are met isn't a problem. For instance... let's say you had your food, water, shelter, and communication (with education as a subset of communication) needs all met. What would you lack? Nothing except 'luxury' items (with luxury being an extremely broad sense of the word). So, sure, the greedy could still play their 'hoarding' games, but it would not be to anyone's detriment. They are free to hoard, because everyone's basic needs to meet their full potential already met... their limits are no longer controlled by others (greedy self-serving perhaps?) - only their own drive to contribute, learn and better themselves.

You say because all basic needs are fullfilled, so that reminds me of United States (let's use it because it have more people, corporations and money than Canada or other western states); All American basic needs are fullfilled; electricity, running water, roads, hospitals and schools, military(defense), police and order, so by your definition corporations and greedy are free to hoard, and as i see it then it's legal because all basic needs are fullfilled, where is the injustice then?

US minimum wage is what like; 1500? average is 3000? But American who graduate college can easily find job and have 5k a month, of course i take in consideration on money number in comparison to other countries, not PPP., but still it is a big number to earn a month.

But if we want to take PPP in consideration, then a Chinese who have 2000 dollars salary A YEAR can still buy all the necessary stuff he need and plus spend some more on luxury stuff, but not much, so he is not much worse than American in comparison. Saying all this we see almost the same level ground in two parts of the globe where people are 'tucked 'in' with basic needs and now we can let greedy and corporations hoard money.

Which brings me to the point; if everything is like i typed above, then injustice made by 'elite' are small and can be solved by court and suit, no need for revolution and turning society upside down. Why then change the system to credit based?

Also, how to know when we switch to credit-based system, that credits won't be misused like money in current capitalist system? I'll produce apples, have a farm, then i will use credits i earned to buy more farm, expand business, then use credits to bribe local politicians to allow me to buy more land (which is not for sale for some (national) reason), i'll expand business again and earn tons of credits, then use it to pay parties, lobby for my interest and even expand business to banas, car industry, defense, communications and space exploration after few decades. It will be all over again, history will repeat.

System you talk is created to sustain high living standard, and then some will use credits to bribe leaders to little change the system so he can get little more richer, that change will affect some people and make them poorer, and we are back at square one like in capitalism.

I'm not criticizing, just probing, as i do with communism and capitalism too. I tried to research nazism but apparently it isn't even an ideology, just a criminal killing-spree.

Kirjutas brianwl, 13.01.2017 at 14:57

The birth certificate item is a bit more technical. Keep in mind that by definition, slaves are 'property' of 'someone'. A birth certificate, like any certificate, is a financial instrument with a commercial definition. In exceptionally simple terms, it is the fact that you use a financial instrument (property) to identify yourself that you 'voluntarily' submit yourself to slavery. Once a slave, you have to play by the master's rules... in most Western nations, the number of 'rules' (i.e. 'laws', which are never called laws because it is unlawful to have slaves, but they call them 'acts', 'statutes', 'regulations', 'bylaws' etc.) are in the thousands. If you want a crash course in the commercial laws, just compare your birth certificate with any other original bill of sale. It has all the same features (date, origin, as you mentioned, and usually a serial number.) That's all it takes to 'commercialize' something... a date, an origin and reference number.

Does this help with the main points?

So you're saying, when a baby is born, birth certificate is a bond which allows the government to loan additional money to itself because it is backed by that baby?

The United states minimum wage is 8.90 USD an hour. The Average household income in 41,600 a year. This is before taxes are taken out as that's how america works. So if you make 8.90 an hour uncle sam takes a 1.50. Aswell our social systems are collapsing under immense corruption as our politicians and social worker sap are economy. There is not enough money in schools medicine police infrestructure anything, this is in reality because our law makers set there own wages and pensions, and take bribes to turn a blind eye to social service workers who embezzle tax dollars, add all that with are richest people using tax loopholes to pay less taxes per dollar then those on minimum wage and you can see why the United states is a failing capitalist state.

Kirjutas Helly, 15.01.2017 at 12:41

The United states minimum wage is 8.90 USD an hour. The Average household income in 41,600 a year. This is before taxes are taken out as that's how america works. So if you make 8.90 an hour uncle sam takes a 1.50. Aswell our social systems are collapsing under immense corruption as our politicians and social worker sap are economy. There is not enough money in schools medicine police infrestructure anything, this is in reality because our law makers set there own wages and pensions, and take bribes to turn a blind eye to social service workers who embezzle tax dollars, add all that with are richest people using tax loopholes to pay less taxes per dollar then those on minimum wage and you can see why the United states is a failing capitalist state.

Do you believe it 'just happens' or is it failing 'as planned'.

Kirjutas brianwl, 15.01.2017 at 15:42

Kirjutas Helly, 15.01.2017 at 12:41

The United states minimum wage is 8.90 USD an hour. The Average household income in 41,600 a year. This is before taxes are taken out as that's how america works. So if you make 8.90 an hour uncle sam takes a 1.50. Aswell our social systems are collapsing under immense corruption as our politicians and social worker sap are economy. There is not enough money in schools medicine police infrestructure anything, this is in reality because our law makers set there own wages and pensions, and take bribes to turn a blind eye to social service workers who embezzle tax dollars, add all that with are richest people using tax loopholes to pay less taxes per dollar then those on minimum wage and you can see why the United states is a failing capitalist state.

Do you believe it 'just happens' or is it failing 'as planned'.

I believe my government was hijacked by the International banking cartel known as central banks that are controlled by the rothechild family in the United kingdom. But yes I do believe this is all planned to remove our spirit, culture, and pride and make us more controllable.

Kirjutas Helly, 15.01.2017 at 15:44

... and make us more controllable.

Agree... all about control in my experience.