Turkey vs. England? (1v1)

Recently, I played a Turkey vs. England duel (as Turkey). Despite having the balkans, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Ukraine, and Italy by turn 4, I never managed to gain a significant advantage (except for reducing Berlin's population down to 65%...). Eventually, UK grabbed Italy and that was the end of that.

He had UK, France, Spain, Ireland, Belalux, Scandinavia, and Russia NW. Any advice for either side?

Thanks,

Greenflame

Errrr, as Turkey did you run out of money or was the reinforcements not enough or what limited you?

This senario is basically all about lategame, so wall spamming and grabbing as much spawn and income as you can.
As Turkey you should be trying to deny UK as much spawn as possible while gathering a ton of troops, stuff like airdropping into 0ed cities can be really annoying and force them to go on the defensive.
As UK you usually want to keep constant pressure on Italy (wfs and taking cities) while expanding up north to get that Russian spawn and pressure balkans, as well as getting full country bonuses when possible

Its basically a battle of income vs reinforcements, no real advice I can give besides try to deny the enemy what benefits them most

Kirjutas dinoscout, 09.02.2017 at 19:09

Errrr, as Turkey did you run out of money or was the reinforcements not enough or what limited you?

This senario is basically all about lategame, so wall spamming and grabbing as much spawn and income as you can.
As Turkey you should be trying to deny UK as much spawn as possible while gathering a ton of troops, stuff like airdropping into 0ed cities can be really annoying and force them to go on the defensive.
As UK you usually want to keep constant pressure on Italy (wfs and taking cities) while expanding up north to get that Russian spawn and pressure balkans, as well as getting full country bonuses when possible

Its basically a battle of income vs reinforcements, no real advice I can give besides try to deny the enemy what benefits them most

I was having money problems early game (too many tanks), but I just spammed infantry later on. Another problem was that I was really only attacking Berlin and St. Petersburg and not doing airdrops. Thanks!

Kirjutas Greenflame, 09.02.2017 at 19:12

This is a possible turn 1 for you;
NOTE: I'm assuming extra cities toggled on. Also I haven't played in some time, so I don't recall the exact city names, sorry.
1. Go Italy from Izimir — 13 inf & 2 tanks: Infs in Rome, tanks in Naples
2. Go Caucasus (go only Armenia or only Georgia, but you should aim to have full Caucasus including Azerbaijan by turn 9 since it's a great source of reinfs very near Ankara)
3. Go Greece 13 infs (using Ankara and the 3 reinf city southward s between Ankara & Izimir), Romania (can skip this turn), Bulgaria 7-8 infs (from that city just south of istanbul)
4. Go Ukraine from Istanbul with 2 tanks 13 infs so you can get into Baltic, Finland and RNW early and stop UK getting it. Also lets you AT to Russia Central, your main income maker. The 13 infs go in Kiev, the 2 tanks in Odessa.
5. If you have enough reinfs behind in Turkey and don't mind spending some extra cash, big wall Ankara, and definitely wall Istanbul and Izimir before next reinforcement turn.
6. After this you can either conserve money or go small balkans/Serbia to get to Austria/Germany faster (not recommended since you don't have the cheapness upgrades

NOTES:
Whether you do #5 and #6 or not, if you've done everything properly you should have at least above 500 cash with you (once you get the expendable infantry and cheaper transport upgrades, it'll rise to above 1000)
Notice how I've made only 4 tanks. In Early game, tanks are for bettering rolls while infs do the grunt work, not your main attacking unit. Those are still infs.
Also please don't do air drops until after you have Russia Central (the disadvantage of not having cheapness upgrades, so rank up fast ) And yes I know it's ironic that I'm the one saying that...
Jew everything and anything you can. You can't deny him money very well, so deny him reinforcements instead. He can't deny you reinforcements (thanks to Turkey) very well, so he will deny you money. Take full country bonuses everywhere, kill his full country bonuses, take his cities, defend your small Balkans and Italy (you shouldn't let him get Italy, or anything in Balkans as much as possible. Neither should you let RC fall. Keep reinforcing them and let him suicide on them. Bury him in numbers). This is a slowroll game. If both of you play well, the victor will come down to the person with highest SP. Generally that is East, unless you've just been sitting there and not attacking back.
Make walls everywhere to slow him down. Break all his walls. Wallfuck everything. Use your militia where possible, don't just leave them sitting there, costing you upkeep. Use them for tbs, breaking and making walls and the like.

Kirjutas Darth., 10.02.2017 at 01:11

Kirjutas Greenflame, 09.02.2017 at 19:12

This is a possible turn 1 for you;
NOTE: I'm assuming extra cities toggled on. Also I haven't played in some time, so I don't recall the exact city names, sorry.
1. Go Italy from Izimir — 13 inf & 2 tanks: Infs in Rome, tanks in Naples
2. Go Caucasus (go only Armenia or only Georgia, but you should aim to have full Caucasus including Azerbaijan by turn 9 since it's a great source of reinfs very near Ankara)
3. Go Greece 13 infs (using Ankara and the 3 reinf city southward s between Ankara & Izimir), Romania (can skip this turn), Bulgaria 7-8 infs (from that city just south of istanbul)
4. Go Ukraine from Istanbul with 2 tanks 13 infs so you can get into Baltic, Finland and RNW early and stop UK getting it. Also lets you AT to Russia Central, your main income maker. The 13 infs go in Kiev, the 2 tanks in Odessa.
5. If you have enough reinfs behind in Turkey and don't mind spending some extra cash, big wall Ankara, and definitely wall Istanbul and Izimir before next reinforcement turn.
6. After this you can either conserve money or go small balkans/Serbia to get to Austria/Germany faster (not recommended since you don't have the cheapness upgrades

NOTES:
Whether you do #5 and #6 or not, if you've done everything properly you should have at least above 500 cash with you (once you get the expendable infantry and cheaper transport upgrades, it'll rise to above 1000)
Notice how I've made only 4 tanks. In Early game, tanks are for bettering rolls while infs do the grunt work, not your main attacking unit. Those are still infs.
Also please don't do air drops until after you have Russia Central (the disadvantage of not having cheapness upgrades, so rank up fast ) And yes I know it's ironic that I'm the one saying that...
Jew everything and anything you can. You can't deny him money very well, so deny him reinforcements instead. He can't deny you reinforcements (thanks to Turkey) very well, so he will deny you money. Take full country bonuses everywhere, kill his full country bonuses, take his cities, defend your small Balkans and Italy (you shouldn't let him get Italy, or anything in Balkans as much as possible. Neither should you let RC fall. Keep reinforcing them and let him suicide on them. Bury him in numbers). This is a slowroll game. If both of you play well, the victor will come down to the person with highest SP. Generally that is East, unless you've just been sitting there and not attacking back.
Make walls everywhere to slow him down. Break all his walls. Wallfuck everything. Use your militia where possible, don't just leave them sitting there, costing you upkeep. Use them for tbs, breaking and making walls and the like.

It was without extra cities, but my expansion was balkans, wall ankara, wall istanbul t1, italy, moldova, austria, hungary, etc. t2, then ukraine t3 as well as poland. And actually, I was the one suiciding on Berlin...

Thanks for the advice!

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 06:13

It was without extra cities, but my expansion was balkans, wall ankara, wall istanbul t1, italy, moldova, austria, hungary, etc. t2, then ukraine t3 as well as poland. And actually, I was the one suiciding on Berlin...

Thanks for the advice!

Here's some pics: I've done it a bit differently than I said above but not by much; 6 tanks instead of 4
1 tank failed Patras, but eh that's hardly that important. Can capture with militia from Athens next turn. I also accidentally used General for Romania, but it can easily be done without so don't worry about it.

Strategy: Imperialist













Ta-da!



EDIT:
Your turn 2
Please note the amount of available reinforcements is wrong, I was messaging while the timer wound down, this photo is taken on turn 5 but the moves were made for turn 2
Notice the full Ukraine and near-full Italy. I also didn't use my general in Romania, else I could have taken Hungary with it. Next turn takes me into baltics and RNW, can start moving infs and tanks upwards to Moscow and east to Russia South, while taking Austria-Hungary, Czech, threatening Benelux and France.


This is just a model, since you can't do as much as I have done without the proper upgrades:
Faster Infantry
Cheaper Infantry
Cheaper Transport
I hope you have Naval Transport Capacity. If not, get it now

Kirjutas Darth., 10.02.2017 at 12:40

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 06:13

It was without extra cities, but my expansion was balkans, wall ankara, wall istanbul t1, italy, moldova, austria, hungary, etc. t2, then ukraine t3 as well as poland. And actually, I was the one suiciding on Berlin...

Thanks for the advice!

Here's some pics: I've done it a bit differently than I said above but not by much; 6 tanks instead of 4
1 tank failed Patras, but eh that's hardly that important. Can capture with militia from Athens next turn. I also accidentally used General for Romania, but it can easily be done without so don't worry about it.

Strategy: Imperialist













Ta-da!



EDIT:
Your turn 2
Please note the amount of available reinforcements is wrong, I was messaging while the timer wound down, this photo is taken on turn 5 but the moves were made for turn 2
Notice the full Ukraine and near-full Italy. I also didn't use my general in Romania, else I could have taken Hungary with it. Next turn takes me into baltics and RNW, can start moving infs and tanks upwards to Moscow and east to Russia South, while taking Austria-Hungary, Czech, threatening Benelux and France.


This is just a model, since you can't do as much as I have done without the proper upgrades:
Faster Infantry
Cheaper Infantry
Cheaper Transport
I hope you have Naval Transport Capacity. If not, get it now

Thanks a lot! How did you get the troops from Ankara to romania?
I will try this expansion, my current one (without extra cities admittedly) focuses more on the balkans and takes Italy and Ukraine on t2 and t3 respectively.

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 13:19

Thanks a lot! How did you get the troops from Ankara to romania?
I will try this expansion, my current one (without extra cities admittedly) focuses more on the balkans and takes Italy and Ukraine on t2 and t3 respectively.

Expansion:
1. Wall Ankara with 3 units. Move rest 5 starting infs along with 3 tanks to Antalya. In Antalya make a trans and 2 more tanks. Move out that transport towards Heraklion, and drop 1 tanks. Move the rest of the units into Athens. Use that 1 tank dropped to attack Heraklion.

2. Make 1 trans and 7 tanks in Izimir. Move the units out to near Thessaloniki and dock it as high as possible.
a) Use 8 infs and 1 tank to attack Belgrade
b) Use 1 tank to attack Bosnia
c) Use 2 tanks to attack Albania
d) Use 1 tank to attack Cluj
e) Use 1 tank to attack Varna
f) Use 1 tank to attack Thessaloniki
Move that trans into Athens also

3. Wall Istanbul with 3 infs. Make 7 tanks. Of the remaining 5 infs move 3 into Sofia along with 3 tanks, and 2 infs into Bucharest with 4 tanks.

4. With the 5 reinfs remaining in Ankara, make 1 Air Transport and 4 tanks, and attack Budapest.

Picture:




The above is an excerpt from this thread by Zenith. Do give it a read :
http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=28051&board_page=2

Here is my current t1 Turkey expansion (no extra cities).

note: This expansion was shown to me by LukeTan, and it's pretty much his.

Movements:


Battle phase:




And there you go:


Turn 2 I will expand more north into Hungary, Austria, etc., Moldova, and Italy.

Remember that this is LukeTan's expansion that he kindly showed to me, so kudos to him!

Thanks for all the help,

Greenflame

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 14:10

Remember that this is LukeTan's expansion that he kindly showed to me, so kudos to him!

Thanks for all the help,

Greenflame

I'm afraid you haven't surfed into the deeps of the forums as much as you could, right? Here, a recopilation that remains hidden in the deep dark of the strategy forum, maybe it could be useful:

http://es.atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=17391

If you need more useful topics, just ask

Kirjutas RaulPB, 10.02.2017 at 19:39

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 14:10

Remember that this is LukeTan's expansion that he kindly showed to me, so kudos to him!

Thanks for all the help,

Greenflame

I'm afraid you haven't surfed into the deeps of the forums as much as you could, right? Here, a recopilation that remains hidden in the deep dark of the strategy forum, maybe it could be useful:

http://es.atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=17391

If you need more useful topics, just ask

I have looked at some expansion guides and keep up to date on the forums, but I haven't delved into the cobwebbed depths of Khazad-Dum the forums. In fact, I have seen your Turkey expansion, and it is quite helpful indeed! I like having the transport west of Greece because I can send troops from Athens to my transport t2 then land on the other side of Italy within a very close range of Rome and Naples. I haven't tried a t1 Italy yet, but I will soon to see how it compares to balkans.

Thanks,

Greenflame

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 20:09

I have looked at some expansion guides and keep up to date on the forums, but I haven't delved into the cobwebbed depths of Khazad-Dum the forums. In fact, I have seen your Turkey expansion, and it is quite helpful indeed! I like having the transport west of Greece because I can send troops from Athens to my transport t2 then land on the other side of Italy within a very close range of Rome and Naples. I haven't tried a t1 Italy yet, but I will soon to see how it compares to balkans.

Thanks,

Greenflame

Just in case you're wondering why is Rome such a big deal when playing Turkey, it's easy: money and fast expansion towards west, meaning more money to come XD It can also help slow down west's expansion from your opponent.

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 14:10

Here is my current t1 Turkey expansion (no extra cities).

note: This expansion was shown to me by LukeTan, and it's pretty much his.

Remember that this is LukeTan's expansion that he kindly showed to me, so kudos to him!

Thanks for all the help,

Greenflame

Here's one with a single transport:


Here's the video form of the expansion I posted before:

Turkey v uk would come down to who can play lategame better,but at the starting turns until t5, turkey has a clear advantage of cash and reinfs

Kirjutas Greenflame, 10.02.2017 at 14:10

Here is my current t1 Turkey expansion (no extra cities).

note: This expansion was shown to me by LukeTan, and it's pretty much his.

Movements:


Battle phase:




And there you go:


Turn 2 I will expand more north into Hungary, Austria, etc., Moldova, and Italy.

Remember that this is LukeTan's expansion that he kindly showed to me, so kudos to him!

Thanks for all the help,

Greenflame

No offence, but in the video i'd take the southern greek city before moving on to athens.

Kirjutas LukeTan, 14.02.2017 at 06:30

No offence, but in the video i'd take the southern greek city before moving on to athens.

Oh, ok. I've never really been able to figure it out (idk if my movements are inefficient or something...)

Kirjutas Greenflame, 09.02.2017 at 18:22

Recently, I played a Turkey vs. England duel (as Turkey). Despite having the balkans, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Ukraine, and Italy by turn 4, I never managed to gain a significant advantage (except for reducing Berlin's population down to 65%...). Eventually, UK grabbed Italy and that was the end of that.

He had UK, France, Spain, Ireland, Belalux, Scandinavia, and Russia NW. Any advice for either side?

Thanks,

Greenflame

want to beat any country in eu+????

play ALBANIA.

Kirjutas boywind2, 16.02.2017 at 02:09

want to beat any country in eu+????

play ALBANIA.

By now, I should've expected that.

Kirjutas Greenflame, 16.02.2017 at 04:28

Kirjutas boywind2, 16.02.2017 at 02:09

want to beat any country in eu+????

play ALBANIA.

By now, I should've expected that.

Oh man, if only someone had thread like this in clan forum, or thread with collection of expansions. Damn

If turkey knows what they're doing its a battle uk cant win.