Adog's Competitive Ancient V6.23

Kirjutas RaulPB, 09.06.2020 at 06:52

Kirjutas Professor Adog, 09.06.2020 at 04:09

We're not trying to impersonate anything. Usually, it's a controversial cartography topic that is discussed.

Hahahaha I bet you're just some grumpy stubborn tryhards, I'm curious as to how tryhard you guys can get

This is also the academy that has been working with and has many members being current/former AW staff trying to make the community better and promoting cartography.

We have planned and are involved in a variety of projects to improve this community. There are often many debates, the result of which are usually disseminated into the AW community afterwards. Nobody is grumpy or stubborn, and though the faculty are often brutally honest to each other, nobody takes it personally. If you believe that we are trying hard, we are doing so for this community. Perhaps the question should be, why do you view that as an offensive thing, and if not a tryhard.... why aren't you trying hard for this community?

Please refrain from any redundant ad hominem attacks in this showcase thread. Thank you.

Kirjutas Professor Adog, 09.06.2020 at 07:26

This is also the academy that has been working with and has many members being current/former AW staff trying to make the community better and promoting cartography.

We have planned and are involved in a variety of projects to improve this community. There are often many debates, the result of which are usually disseminated into the AW community afterwards. Nobody is grumpy or stubborn, and though the faculty are often brutally honest to each other, nobody takes it personally. If you believe that we are trying hard, we are doing so for this community. Perhaps the question should be, why do you view that as an offensive thing, and if not a tryhard.... why aren't you trying hard for this community?

Please refrain from any redundant ad hominem attacks in this showcase thread. Thank you.

I never thought it could be this easy to trigger your inner scientist speaker, Adog. You guys really are too prefesional for my goofiness

(ok... I'll try to be more serious... sorry)

Does tryhard always have to be inherently negative? Can't it be something neutral or positive depending on the situation? I'm not english so you might have a more accurate perspective on linguistic affairs. Anyhow, it wasn't meant to be a legitimate attack, just goofing around, I don't usually go around offending people because I'm bored. The refined, political sounding, elaborate, bold, somewhat reverent, imposing and condescending tone which I happened to detect due to my quite improvable reading comprehension triggered my inner goof I am horrific at remaining serious for too long, specially if I do not feel the necessity due to the circumstances of my surrounding. And well... AW is AW.

To conclude my apologies, I'd politely request your Imperial group of professors, and yourself, to be less serious.

PD: host for me this map already!

Tsiteeri:

I never thought it could be this easy to trigger your inner scientist speaker, Adog. You guys really are too prefesional for my goofiness

(ok... I'll try to be more serious... sorry)

Does tryhard always have to be inherently negative? Can't it be something neutral or positive depending on the situation? I'm not english so you might have a more accurate perspective on linguistic affairs. Anyhow, it wasn't meant to be a legitimate attack, just goofing around, I don't usually go around offending people because I'm bored. The refined, political sounding, elaborate, bold, somewhat reverent, imposing and condescending tone which I happened to detect due to my quite improvable reading comprehension triggered my inner goof I am horrific at remaining serious for too long, specially if I do not feel the necessity due to the circumstances of my surrounding. And well... AW is AW.

To conclude my apologies, I'd politely request your Imperial group of professors, and yourself, to be less serious.

PD: host for me this map already!

Aye aye cap'n. All in good taste
To get back to you, none of what was said is ofcourse personal
We just love debating over here, and ofcourse we respect all opinions regarding our work as coalition
We'll make sure to host this pearl, and I would be more than glad to see you enjoy it!

Obligatory comment to provoke a response from Adog

Kirjutas Black Vortex, 09.06.2020 at 13:00

Obligatory comment to provoke a response from Adog

Kirjutas Black Vortex, 09.06.2020 at 13:00

Obligatory comment to provoke a response from Adog

Adog responds with standard prescripted response, followed by a thumbup

PS: thanks for promoting the map I put your name on the special thanks list

Kirjutas Alois, 09.06.2020 at 13:11

Kirjutas Black Vortex, 09.06.2020 at 13:00

Obligatory comment to provoke a response from Adog

Nice map! Hope you win

Hope to play this some time!

Patch 1.2

Once again I have delivered another update.

I have made Carthage and Rome significantly cheaper (this was by decreasing their income slightly)

I have also given Rome more reinforcement and changed Terracina to Pisae

This should make them both more viable, but in particular, make Rome stronger, so that it may contest against Carthage.

Kirjutas Professor Pliny, 09.06.2020 at 11:21

Aye aye cap'n. All in good taste
To get back to you, none of what was said is ofcourse personal
We just love debating over here, and ofcourse we respect all opinions regarding our work as coalition
We'll make sure to host this pearl, and I would be more than glad to see you enjoy it!

Ahoy matey! Yup, Adog finally had the kindness of hosting it for me, I felt loved for once in my lonely life by him!

I believe I already proved my points to Adog by that game central Hispania is a bit overdone, it should definately be divided or something, and Rome needs a reprogramming or something as it seems really fragile due to its inmense cost and rather few and weak expansion possibilities. I'd rather avoid picking rome in a competitive match.

I love demonstrating my points with a real match now I'll have to try it again and prove my superior instinct!

Kirjutas RaulPB, 09.06.2020 at 17:57

I love demonstrating my points with a real match now I'll have to try it again and prove my superior instinct!

I still disagree with the majority of your points on iberia and in fact a lot of the points you presented in this thread originally was about accuracy, not balance. Quite the opposite of the """superior instinct""" you speak of today. Which is why I ignored the vast majority of it.

I do agree that Rome is too weak and fragile. However, that was not my balancing instinct. Most of my instincts worked out, whilst Pliny contradicted me every time. Rome (and macedon) is the only time I have listened to his advice. So if you want to challenge anyone on Rome (and also Macedon), it would be Pliny, not me

Even whilst literally everybody (comp players to cartographers and including me) agree that Rome is far too weak, Pliny still believes that Rome is too OP. You can debate Pliny on this, not me. I am more than gladly happy to buff Rome and tweak the western front.

Tsiteeri:

I still disagree with the majority of your points on iberia and in fact a lot of the points you presented in this thread originally was about accuracy, not balance. Quite the opposite of the """superior instinct""" you speak of today. Which is why I ignored the vast majority of it.

I do agree that Rome is too weak and fragile. However, that was not my balancing instinct. Most of my instincts worked out, whilst Pliny contradicted me every time. Rome (and macedon) is the only time I have listened to his advice. So if you want to challenge anyone on Rome (and also Macedon), it would be Pliny, not me

Even whilst literally everybody (comp players to cartographers and including me) agree that Rome is far too weak, Pliny still believes that Rome is too OP. You can debate Pliny on this, not me. I am more than gladly happy to buff Rome and tweak the western front.

Allow me to add onto that Adog
I believe Rome is not as weak as people make it out to be, and I firmly believe a skilled Rome could still outmatch a Carthage ^^.
That being said, if matches constantly prove otherwise there's no reason to shy away from improvements

If anyone has problem with Macedon come at me. Criticism is encouraged!

Kirjutas Professor Adog, 09.06.2020 at 19:07

I still disagree with the majority of your points on iberia and in fact a lot of the points you presented in this thread originally was about accuracy, not balance. Quite the opposite of the """superior instinct""" you speak of today. Which is why I ignored the vast majority of it.

I do agree that Rome is too weak and fragile. However, that was not my balancing instinct. Most of my instincts worked out, whilst Pliny contradicted me every time. Rome (and macedon) is the only time I have listened to his advice. So if you want to challenge anyone on Rome (and also Macedon), it would be Pliny, not me

Even whilst literally everybody (comp players to cartographers and including me) agree that Rome is far too weak, Pliny still believes that Rome is too OP. You can debate Pliny on this, not me. I am more than gladly happy to buff Rome and tweak the western front.

Cause it was both about accuracy and balancing tho you saw that first handedly, central hispania is not weak, it was stronger than rome itself and could probably be even more than carth as well

1v1 me and I'll prove you every single point!!

I'm glad to see veteran ancient players collaborating with seasoned map makers to improve a map.

Also, it's nice seeing a new refurbished ancient coming out aimed at competitive and also ffa/team games.

Kirjutas RaulPB, 10.06.2020 at 04:55

1v1 me and I'll prove you every single point!!

Rome will need a second buff in improving expansion quality which I will do tonight.

1.2 was not the end of it. I am just making small buffs to balance it properly, so the pendulum doesn't swing the other way.

Kirjutas Professor Pliny, 10.06.2020 at 01:38

I believe Rome is not as weak as people make it out to be, and I firmly believe a skilled Rome could still outmatch a Carthage ^^.
That being said, if matches constantly prove otherwise there's no reason to shy away from improvements

In all fair matches (where high ranks r10-r13, who knew the meta and incomes and played on it before) ... in about 10 rounds of testing. No Rome has ever won, in a fair match.

Kirjutas Freeman, 10.06.2020 at 09:23

I'm glad to see veteran ancient players collaborating with seasoned map makers to improve a map.

Also, it's nice seeing a new refurbished ancient coming out aimed at competitive and also ffa/team games.

Thank you very much I hope that after a few more minor balancing patches (mostly tweaks in the west tbh) that you and the community will enjoy it <3

Kirjutas Professor Adog, 10.06.2020 at 13:27

Rome will need a second buff in improving expansion quality which I will do tonight.

1.2 was not the end of it. I am just making small buffs to balance it properly, so the pendulum doesn't swing the other way.

In all fair matches (where high ranks r10-r13, who knew the meta and incomes and played on it before) ... in about 10 rounds of testing. No Rome has ever won, in a fair match.

Just contact me whenever you're done with tweaks and host it again

So many 1 reinf cities.

Kirjutas Brsjak, 14.06.2020 at 12:42

So many 1 reinf cities.

What do you suggest?

Why is this promoted

Kirjutas Palmitas, 08.04.2021 at 22:49

Why is this promoted

I think they've promoted the map as well, my assumption is its like "oh this map is promoted but how do I play it, finds forum post explaining" although most players probably wouldn't do that

Kirjutas Augustus Caesar, 08.04.2021 at 23:33

Kirjutas Palmitas, 08.04.2021 at 22:49

Why is this promoted

I think they've promoted the map as well, my assumption is its like "oh this map is promoted but how do I play it, finds forum post explaining" although most players probably wouldn't do that

This I think, though most players don't even read forums so it's gonna have a small reach anyways :p

Kirjutas Black Vortex, 08.04.2021 at 23:35

This I think, though most players don't even read forums so it's gonna have a small reach anyways :p

It's a very logical approach, though we all know how logically thinking atwar players are xD

Very nice.