Let's talk about nerfing DS.

I think the nerf wasn't enough. It is incredibly OP on eu+ and especially on eu.

Also don't reply with "it's not OP because it's beatable" because that doesn't even prove in the slightest bit that DS isn't op.

What aspects of ds would u nerf, if u could

Lets improve the weakest strategy in the game (RA) . The other strategies are really balanced and especially the DS

Let's not mess with the units / strategies.

Kirjutas Night-King, 30.11.2017 at 03:47

Lets improve the weakest strategy in the game (RA) . The other strategies are really balanced and especially the DS

RA is very good if you know how to play it

Kirjutas XAXAXAXAXAXA, 30.11.2017 at 06:23

Kirjutas Night-King, 30.11.2017 at 03:47

Lets improve the weakest strategy in the game (RA) . The other strategies are really balanced and especially the DS

RA is very good if you know how to play it

Well perhaps. But 3 strats right now have better attack than RA. HW,GC and even IF. It is also an expensive strat and you cant defend well with infs. The only good thinks are the cost and the range of the tanks.

Kirjutas clovis1122, 30.11.2017 at 05:18

Let's not mess with the units / strategies.

Boost Blitz and RA instead

Who cares about DS, it can't be used in scenarios

The thing is, this goes in swings and roundabouts, you think it is OP simply because it is popular right now. In 3 months you will realise that 'none' is the real MVP and ask for a nerf on 'none'

Kirjutas Ghost, 30.11.2017 at 08:23

Boost Blitz and RA instead

OMG GHOST OMGOMGOGMMGOGG

Kirjutas Ghost, 30.11.2017 at 08:23

Boost Blitz and RA instead

RA yes, blitz is fine.

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 30.11.2017 at 08:27

Who cares about DS, it can't be used in scenarios

You don't even play.

Kirjutas b0nker2, 30.11.2017 at 11:50

The thing is, this goes in swings and roundabouts, you think it is OP simply because it is popular right now. In 3 months you will realise that 'none' is the real MVP and ask for a nerf on 'none'

I don't think it's op because it's popular. It's op because 95% of the community can't counter it.

You can practically win 95% of all 1v1s with DS on EU and EU+.

Kirjutas Chess, 30.11.2017 at 13:07

DS can be a carry or a completely useless strategy.
DS is like an ADC in League of Legends. Give him too much money and he will wreck everyone. If he doesn't get enough he is basically just useless feed.

If you let DS grow too much, you screwed up. It's not really OP unless you make it.

Yes, that is completely true.

But on maps like EU and EU+ picking countries like Ukr and Poland which gives a large amount of money, you can expand extremely fast AND cock block your opponent because of the Heli bonus vs inf and militia.

As DS, the game all comes down to if you can expand faster than your opponent and harassing him while defending your cap.

In map modes like EU, DS can pick ukr or pol and not defend his cap as much as in ukr vs turk which gives room for DS to full expand, and full cock block.

Kirjutas boywind2, 30.11.2017 at 12:58

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 30.11.2017 at 08:27

Who cares about DS, it can't be used in scenarios

You don't even play.

How the fuck did you reach that conclusion... sure I am not a super-active fanatic who plays 15 games a day but I'm not Waffel

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 30.11.2017 at 14:53

Kirjutas boywind2, 30.11.2017 at 12:58

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 30.11.2017 at 08:27

Who cares about DS, it can't be used in scenarios

You don't even play.

How the fuck did you reach that conclusion... sure I am not a super-active fanatic who plays 15 games a day but I'm not Waffel

You don't even play.

Kirjutas boywind2, 30.11.2017 at 14:54

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You don't even play.

But I played two games three days ago...

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 30.11.2017 at 15:07

Kirjutas boywind2, 30.11.2017 at 14:54

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You don't even play.

But I played two games three days ago...

Play you don't even.

Support

Solution :
tb like crazy + wall + believe in at war's goddess for rolls blessing and the most important one = go PD and spam militia and attack same places DS is going to attack

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 30.11.2017 at 14:53

Kirjutas boywind2, 30.11.2017 at 12:58

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 30.11.2017 at 08:27

Who cares about DS, it can't be used in scenarios

You don't even play.

How the fuck did you reach that conclusion... sure I am not a super-active fanatic who plays 15 games a day but I'm not Waffel

Wtf, nice smearing my name, I can be inactive for 10 more years and I will still know more about this game than most of those tryhards that think that they know shit about this game .

Kirjutas Waffel, 03.12.2017 at 11:04

Wtf, nice smearing my name, I can be inactive for 10 more years and I will still know more about this game than most of those tryhards that think that they know shit about this game .

Kirjutas Waffel, 03.12.2017 at 11:04

Wtf, nice smearing my name, I can be inactive for 10 more years and I will still know more about this game than most of those tryhards that think that they know shit about this game .

Doesn't change the fact that you're inactive...

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 03.12.2017 at 14:49

Kirjutas Waffel, 03.12.2017 at 11:04

Wtf, nice smearing my name, I can be inactive for 10 more years and I will still know more about this game than most of those tryhards that think that they know shit about this game .

Doesn't make sense

100th time this thread has been made.

First off, it isn't OP if everyone is using it.

Secondly, if others have already figured out how to beat it, then its not OP

Thirdly, that means if you constantly lose to it, it's a reflection of how you play against DS, not how DS is played against you. Clearly others have beaten it. Just practice more.

Kirjutas PleaseMe, 03.12.2017 at 16:02

100th time this thread has been made.

First off, it isn't OP if everyone is using it.

Secondly, if others have already figured out how to beat it, then its not OP

Thirdly, that means if you constantly lose to it, it's a reflection of how you play against DS, not how DS is played against you. Clearly others have beaten it. Just practice more.

it's not that other have figured it out. it's just that people get lucky and beat DS.

if people lose to it 9/10 times it is definitely OP.

i will beat anyone 9/10 times if i play DS ukr vs germ.

Kirjutas boywind2, 03.12.2017 at 16:18

i will beat anyone 9/10 times if i play DS ukr vs germ.

well yea obviously, it's clearly more likely UKR will win, that's like saying you will beat most people 9/10 if you play turk VS any west also.
The logic is sound. If there is already something else that can beat it (turkey), then there is no need for a nerf on DS. Especially since EU+ isn't the only map that plays DS. Think about the thousands of other maps and starting points this would effect. Not just UKR.

Kirjutas boywind2, 03.12.2017 at 16:18

Kirjutas PleaseMe, 03.12.2017 at 16:02

100th time this thread has been made.

First off, it isn't OP if everyone is using it.

Secondly, if others have already figured out how to beat it, then its not OP

Thirdly, that means if you constantly lose to it, it's a reflection of how you play against DS, not how DS is played against you. Clearly others have beaten it. Just practice more.

it's not that other have figured it out. it's just that people get lucky and beat DS.

if people lose to it 9/10 times it is definitely OP.

i will beat anyone 9/10 times if i play DS ukr vs germ.

try me.

Kirjutas Permamuted, 03.12.2017 at 17:50

Kirjutas boywind2, 03.12.2017 at 16:18

Kirjutas PleaseMe, 03.12.2017 at 16:02

100th time this thread has been made.

First off, it isn't OP if everyone is using it.

Secondly, if others have already figured out how to beat it, then its not OP

Thirdly, that means if you constantly lose to it, it's a reflection of how you play against DS, not how DS is played against you. Clearly others have beaten it. Just practice more.

it's not that other have figured it out. it's just that people get lucky and beat DS.

if people lose to it 9/10 times it is definitely OP.

i will beat anyone 9/10 times if i play DS ukr vs germ.

try me.

u make

Kirjutas PleaseMe, 03.12.2017 at 17:47

Kirjutas boywind2, 03.12.2017 at 16:18

i will beat anyone 9/10 times if i play DS ukr vs germ.

well yea obviously, it's clearly more likely UKR will win, that's like saying you will beat most people 9/10 if you play turk VS any west also.
The logic is sound. If there is already something else that can beat it (turkey), then there is no need for a nerf on DS. Especially since EU+ isn't the only map that plays DS. Think about the thousands of other maps and starting points this would effect. Not just UKR.

u wont beat 9/10 ppl playing turk on eu.

u wont beat 9/10 ppl with ukr unless you are ds.

also, let's be serious here. no one plays ds on other maps except eu and eu+.

on aw, at most people only play like 20 different maps and i am 100% sure that more than half don't even have units for ds.

where ds really matters is in the competitive scene in eu and eu+.

and i'm not asking for a nerf that kills the strat and make it like ra. just a tweak to make ds more than just retard rush strat that anyone can use to win.

Kirjutas boywind2, 03.12.2017 at 18:19

u wont beat 9/10 ppl playing turk on eu.
u wont beat 9/10 ppl with ukr unless you are ds.
also, let's be serious here. no one plays ds on other maps except eu and eu+.
on aw, at most people only play like 20 different maps and i am 100% sure that more than half don't even have units for ds.
where ds really matters is in the competitive scene in eu and eu+.

A lot of bold statements with no clear evidence to back it up. You're singling out 1 country and 1 strategy for that country out of thousands of other picks in the game.