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06.05.2014 - 13:58
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:45

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:41

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 11:01

Kirjutas YazanTheSexy, 06.05.2014 at 10:56

I am not even going to reply on this thread -_-.... only what i will say now and then i will leave "with a fuck you all i dont care what you think"
First , Zionism jewish are worse than Nazi's believe it or not , they are fucking raping the Palestinian prisoners in their jails , 2nd, Zionism settlers almost attack Palestinian villagers in west bank every fucking day , it only your fucking media that is hiding it from you , every day Jewish settlers build almost 100 new House in West bank , "Palestinian land" as of UN Partition Plan for Palestine , Israel Soldiers are ready to capture any one from age 1 to 99 , and i KNOW that cuz i saw it with my own eyes a 3 israelians jeeps coming to my village and capturing my 12 years old cousin for "Suspecting" about him throwing a stone on jewish soldiers -_- At 3 AM , only to let him out the next day evening , they happened to capture a 8 years OLD child IN Jerusalem !!!! like 4 - 5 months ago and i can show you the article about that!!! , it not like Israel is a good country it just your fucking media hiding it from your fucking eyes -_- , and west bank and Gaza signed a truce which will happen in about 2 weeks , under the rule of a united government , i spoke enough now -_- time to go before mossad come pick me up :/ it not like i hate israel , BUT ZIONISM IS THE WORSE THING ON EartH!!!!!! , they are terrorist , but we arent blind like you guys , when we say Zionisms are terrorist , we dont mean that all jewish are , hell my best freinds are jewish!!

"Tito West Bank"


Proof of rape.
Settlers attacking Palestinians get punished.
Israel is legally aloud to build settlements by the Oslo Accords.
People who throw rocks at people deserve to be punished. Why shouldn't they? They let your cousin free after he was deemed not guilty of doing such.
Hamas are terrorists, it proves Palestinian unwillingness to negotiate that they ally Hamas. Not that Netanyahu is any better.


Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.Although i cant be sure what is really going on, what i can be sure, is Usa media cannot be trusted.Also that thing with the settlers, i saw it on the documentary and it was really disturbing.Some of these settlers (they interviewed them) reminded me of Southern states rednecks, they seemed racists and certainly not peacefull.

Most Israeli settlers are horrible people, and I am strongly against the settlements in any form.

Please tell me which part of my response is inhumane?


the whole thing was wrong.You Americans can sue because you ordered bigmac and the cashier gave you mcchicken and you are lecturing him about laws and proofs and justification for arresting children.The guy fucking lives there.
Someone could say, that for people who "suffered" so much and point it out all the time, could be a little more sensitive to the people who are suffering now.

Anecdotal fallacy. You can't use personal experience because he could be lying, it could be an isolated example, etc.

Living somewhere doesn't mean you know everything about it. My knowledge about Canadian politics is limited compared to American or middle eastern politics even though I have lived in Canada for the vast majority of my life.


U learn 5 phrases and now you gonna throw them around at every oppurtunity?really?this is not a fucking debate snap out of it. Since you still not get it, ALL im saying, is while you getting fat eating burgers and having the good life in America, he and his people are dying, so show some courtesy next time.Thats all.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:01
 KYBL
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:58

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:45

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:41

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 11:01

Kirjutas YazanTheSexy, 06.05.2014 at 10:56

I am not even going to reply on this thread -_-.... only what i will say now and then i will leave "with a fuck you all i dont care what you think"
First , Zionism jewish are worse than Nazi's believe it or not , they are fucking raping the Palestinian prisoners in their jails , 2nd, Zionism settlers almost attack Palestinian villagers in west bank every fucking day , it only your fucking media that is hiding it from you , every day Jewish settlers build almost 100 new House in West bank , "Palestinian land" as of UN Partition Plan for Palestine , Israel Soldiers are ready to capture any one from age 1 to 99 , and i KNOW that cuz i saw it with my own eyes a 3 israelians jeeps coming to my village and capturing my 12 years old cousin for "Suspecting" about him throwing a stone on jewish soldiers -_- At 3 AM , only to let him out the next day evening , they happened to capture a 8 years OLD child IN Jerusalem !!!! like 4 - 5 months ago and i can show you the article about that!!! , it not like Israel is a good country it just your fucking media hiding it from your fucking eyes -_- , and west bank and Gaza signed a truce which will happen in about 2 weeks , under the rule of a united government , i spoke enough now -_- time to go before mossad come pick me up :/ it not like i hate israel , BUT ZIONISM IS THE WORSE THING ON EartH!!!!!! , they are terrorist , but we arent blind like you guys , when we say Zionisms are terrorist , we dont mean that all jewish are , hell my best freinds are jewish!!

"Tito West Bank"


Proof of rape.
Settlers attacking Palestinians get punished.
Israel is legally aloud to build settlements by the Oslo Accords.
People who throw rocks at people deserve to be punished. Why shouldn't they? They let your cousin free after he was deemed not guilty of doing such.
Hamas are terrorists, it proves Palestinian unwillingness to negotiate that they ally Hamas. Not that Netanyahu is any better.


Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.Although i cant be sure what is really going on, what i can be sure, is Usa media cannot be trusted.Also that thing with the settlers, i saw it on the documentary and it was really disturbing.Some of these settlers (they interviewed them) reminded me of Southern states rednecks, they seemed racists and certainly not peacefull.

Most Israeli settlers are horrible people, and I am strongly against the settlements in any form.

Please tell me which part of my response is inhumane?


the whole thing was wrong.You Americans can sue because you ordered bigmac and the cashier gave you mcchicken and you are lecturing him about laws and proofs and justification for arresting children.The guy fucking lives there.
Someone could say, that for people who "suffered" so much and point it out all the time, could be a little more sensitive to the people who are suffering now.

Anecdotal fallacy. You can't use personal experience because he could be lying, it could be an isolated example, etc.

Living somewhere doesn't mean you know everything about it. My knowledge about Canadian politics is limited compared to American or middle eastern politics even though I have lived in Canada for the vast majority of my life.


U learn 5 phrases and know you gonna throw them around at every oppurtunity?really?this is not a fucking debate snap out of it. Since you still not get, ALL im saying, is while you getting fat eating burgers and having the good life in America, he and his people are dying, so show some courtesy next time.Thats all.

I am under no obligation to feel sympathetic for people. Being allegedly oppressed doesn't give him special privileges.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:05
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:01

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:58

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:45

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:41

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 11:01

Kirjutas YazanTheSexy, 06.05.2014 at 10:56

I am not even going to reply on this thread -_-.... only what i will say now and then i will leave "with a fuck you all i dont care what you think"
First , Zionism jewish are worse than Nazi's believe it or not , they are fucking raping the Palestinian prisoners in their jails , 2nd, Zionism settlers almost attack Palestinian villagers in west bank every fucking day , it only your fucking media that is hiding it from you , every day Jewish settlers build almost 100 new House in West bank , "Palestinian land" as of UN Partition Plan for Palestine , Israel Soldiers are ready to capture any one from age 1 to 99 , and i KNOW that cuz i saw it with my own eyes a 3 israelians jeeps coming to my village and capturing my 12 years old cousin for "Suspecting" about him throwing a stone on jewish soldiers -_- At 3 AM , only to let him out the next day evening , they happened to capture a 8 years OLD child IN Jerusalem !!!! like 4 - 5 months ago and i can show you the article about that!!! , it not like Israel is a good country it just your fucking media hiding it from your fucking eyes -_- , and west bank and Gaza signed a truce which will happen in about 2 weeks , under the rule of a united government , i spoke enough now -_- time to go before mossad come pick me up :/ it not like i hate israel , BUT ZIONISM IS THE WORSE THING ON EartH!!!!!! , they are terrorist , but we arent blind like you guys , when we say Zionisms are terrorist , we dont mean that all jewish are , hell my best freinds are jewish!!

"Tito West Bank"


Proof of rape.
Settlers attacking Palestinians get punished.
Israel is legally aloud to build settlements by the Oslo Accords.
People who throw rocks at people deserve to be punished. Why shouldn't they? They let your cousin free after he was deemed not guilty of doing such.
Hamas are terrorists, it proves Palestinian unwillingness to negotiate that they ally Hamas. Not that Netanyahu is any better.


Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.Although i cant be sure what is really going on, what i can be sure, is Usa media cannot be trusted.Also that thing with the settlers, i saw it on the documentary and it was really disturbing.Some of these settlers (they interviewed them) reminded me of Southern states rednecks, they seemed racists and certainly not peacefull.

Most Israeli settlers are horrible people, and I am strongly against the settlements in any form.

Please tell me which part of my response is inhumane?


the whole thing was wrong.You Americans can sue because you ordered bigmac and the cashier gave you mcchicken and you are lecturing him about laws and proofs and justification for arresting children.The guy fucking lives there.
Someone could say, that for people who "suffered" so much and point it out all the time, could be a little more sensitive to the people who are suffering now.

Anecdotal fallacy. You can't use personal experience because he could be lying, it could be an isolated example, etc.

Living somewhere doesn't mean you know everything about it. My knowledge about Canadian politics is limited compared to American or middle eastern politics even though I have lived in Canada for the vast majority of my life.


U learn 5 phrases and know you gonna throw them around at every oppurtunity?really?this is not a fucking debate snap out of it. Since you still not get, ALL im saying, is while you getting fat eating burgers and having the good life in America, he and his people are dying, so show some courtesy next time.Thats all.

I am under no obligation to feel sympathetic for people. Being allegedly oppressed doesn't give him special privileges.


Oh really?fine and i can call you a piece of shit now.I would spit on you, but you dont deserve my precious dna on your face.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:05
 KYBL
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 14:05

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:01

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:58

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:45

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:41

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 11:01

Kirjutas YazanTheSexy, 06.05.2014 at 10:56

I am not even going to reply on this thread -_-.... only what i will say now and then i will leave "with a fuck you all i dont care what you think"
First , Zionism jewish are worse than Nazi's believe it or not , they are fucking raping the Palestinian prisoners in their jails , 2nd, Zionism settlers almost attack Palestinian villagers in west bank every fucking day , it only your fucking media that is hiding it from you , every day Jewish settlers build almost 100 new House in West bank , "Palestinian land" as of UN Partition Plan for Palestine , Israel Soldiers are ready to capture any one from age 1 to 99 , and i KNOW that cuz i saw it with my own eyes a 3 israelians jeeps coming to my village and capturing my 12 years old cousin for "Suspecting" about him throwing a stone on jewish soldiers -_- At 3 AM , only to let him out the next day evening , they happened to capture a 8 years OLD child IN Jerusalem !!!! like 4 - 5 months ago and i can show you the article about that!!! , it not like Israel is a good country it just your fucking media hiding it from your fucking eyes -_- , and west bank and Gaza signed a truce which will happen in about 2 weeks , under the rule of a united government , i spoke enough now -_- time to go before mossad come pick me up :/ it not like i hate israel , BUT ZIONISM IS THE WORSE THING ON EartH!!!!!! , they are terrorist , but we arent blind like you guys , when we say Zionisms are terrorist , we dont mean that all jewish are , hell my best freinds are jewish!!

"Tito West Bank"


Proof of rape.
Settlers attacking Palestinians get punished.
Israel is legally aloud to build settlements by the Oslo Accords.
People who throw rocks at people deserve to be punished. Why shouldn't they? They let your cousin free after he was deemed not guilty of doing such.
Hamas are terrorists, it proves Palestinian unwillingness to negotiate that they ally Hamas. Not that Netanyahu is any better.


Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.Although i cant be sure what is really going on, what i can be sure, is Usa media cannot be trusted.Also that thing with the settlers, i saw it on the documentary and it was really disturbing.Some of these settlers (they interviewed them) reminded me of Southern states rednecks, they seemed racists and certainly not peacefull.

Most Israeli settlers are horrible people, and I am strongly against the settlements in any form.

Please tell me which part of my response is inhumane?


the whole thing was wrong.You Americans can sue because you ordered bigmac and the cashier gave you mcchicken and you are lecturing him about laws and proofs and justification for arresting children.The guy fucking lives there.
Someone could say, that for people who "suffered" so much and point it out all the time, could be a little more sensitive to the people who are suffering now.

Anecdotal fallacy. You can't use personal experience because he could be lying, it could be an isolated example, etc.

Living somewhere doesn't mean you know everything about it. My knowledge about Canadian politics is limited compared to American or middle eastern politics even though I have lived in Canada for the vast majority of my life.


U learn 5 phrases and know you gonna throw them around at every oppurtunity?really?this is not a fucking debate snap out of it. Since you still not get, ALL im saying, is while you getting fat eating burgers and having the good life in America, he and his people are dying, so show some courtesy next time.Thats all.

I am under no obligation to feel sympathetic for people. Being allegedly oppressed doesn't give him special privileges.


Oh really?fine and i can call you a piece of shit now.I would spit on you, but you dont deserve my precious dna on your face.

Wow you showed me
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:10
Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 14:05

Oh really?fine and i can call you a piece of shit now.I would spit on you, but you dont deserve my precious dna on your face.


He's a sadist and I betcha 50 bucks he would be willing to shoot up a village of palestinians at a moment's notice if somehow he would be recruited and the order was given.


You can't defeat a vampire in a blood-sucking contest.
You can't expect a man without arms to fight in a boxing match.
You can't expect sympathy from dead people. He can't feel it.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:11
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:05

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 14:05

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:01

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:58

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:45

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:41

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 11:01

Kirjutas YazanTheSexy, 06.05.2014 at 10:56

I am not even going to reply on this thread -_-.... only what i will say now and then i will leave "with a fuck you all i dont care what you think"
First , Zionism jewish are worse than Nazi's believe it or not , they are fucking raping the Palestinian prisoners in their jails , 2nd, Zionism settlers almost attack Palestinian villagers in west bank every fucking day , it only your fucking media that is hiding it from you , every day Jewish settlers build almost 100 new House in West bank , "Palestinian land" as of UN Partition Plan for Palestine , Israel Soldiers are ready to capture any one from age 1 to 99 , and i KNOW that cuz i saw it with my own eyes a 3 israelians jeeps coming to my village and capturing my 12 years old cousin for "Suspecting" about him throwing a stone on jewish soldiers -_- At 3 AM , only to let him out the next day evening , they happened to capture a 8 years OLD child IN Jerusalem !!!! like 4 - 5 months ago and i can show you the article about that!!! , it not like Israel is a good country it just your fucking media hiding it from your fucking eyes -_- , and west bank and Gaza signed a truce which will happen in about 2 weeks , under the rule of a united government , i spoke enough now -_- time to go before mossad come pick me up :/ it not like i hate israel , BUT ZIONISM IS THE WORSE THING ON EartH!!!!!! , they are terrorist , but we arent blind like you guys , when we say Zionisms are terrorist , we dont mean that all jewish are , hell my best freinds are jewish!!

"Tito West Bank"


Proof of rape.
Settlers attacking Palestinians get punished.
Israel is legally aloud to build settlements by the Oslo Accords.
People who throw rocks at people deserve to be punished. Why shouldn't they? They let your cousin free after he was deemed not guilty of doing such.
Hamas are terrorists, it proves Palestinian unwillingness to negotiate that they ally Hamas. Not that Netanyahu is any better.


Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.Although i cant be sure what is really going on, what i can be sure, is Usa media cannot be trusted.Also that thing with the settlers, i saw it on the documentary and it was really disturbing.Some of these settlers (they interviewed them) reminded me of Southern states rednecks, they seemed racists and certainly not peacefull.

Most Israeli settlers are horrible people, and I am strongly against the settlements in any form.

Please tell me which part of my response is inhumane?


the whole thing was wrong.You Americans can sue because you ordered bigmac and the cashier gave you mcchicken and you are lecturing him about laws and proofs and justification for arresting children.The guy fucking lives there.
Someone could say, that for people who "suffered" so much and point it out all the time, could be a little more sensitive to the people who are suffering now.

Anecdotal fallacy. You can't use personal experience because he could be lying, it could be an isolated example, etc.

Living somewhere doesn't mean you know everything about it. My knowledge about Canadian politics is limited compared to American or middle eastern politics even though I have lived in Canada for the vast majority of my life.


U learn 5 phrases and know you gonna throw them around at every oppurtunity?really?this is not a fucking debate snap out of it. Since you still not get, ALL im saying, is while you getting fat eating burgers and having the good life in America, he and his people are dying, so show some courtesy next time.Thats all.

I am under no obligation to feel sympathetic for people. Being allegedly oppressed doesn't give him special privileges.


Oh really?fine and i can call you a piece of shit now.I would spit on you, but you dont deserve my precious dna on your face.

Wow you showed me


No you did all the showing this time, im afraid.You showed your true face.
I "showed" you many months ago when i beat you with my rank 4 alt, blond pony.But I showed you sympathy then and even gave you tips.Different people, different values i guess.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:12
 KYBL
Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 14:10

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 14:05

Oh really?fine and i can call you a piece of shit now.I would spit on you, but you dont deserve my precious dna on your face.


He's a sadist and I betcha 50 bucks he would be willing to shoot up a village of palestinians at a moment's notice if somehow he would be recruited and the order was given.


You can't defeat a vampire in a blood-sucking contest.
You can't expect a man without arms to fight in a boxing match.
You can't expect sympathy from dead people. He can't feel it.

I'm hesitant to reply to this because I am convinced you are trolling.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:15
 KYBL
Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:13

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:52

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 13:49

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:29

Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.


You are expecting humane responses from cold-blooded murderers (zionists). It's not gonna happen.

At least I give a response to criticism, you are yet to actually provide an argument to anything. You make assertions and ignore responses.


hahaha look at this kid, i am not gonna waste my time replying to insane fools. But just for the sake of the argument i will assume that you are a healthy human being like me:

Zionism is a ideology that can be related to nazism in the single fact that both try archive a general increment in living space for their own people. While nazism main core of support was fanatical germans, Zionism main core of support is mostly the jewish elite, how can you constain the virulent cancer if their core has no boundaries? How can you tell from a zionist jewish and a non-zionist jewish?

You are confusing Zionism with Revisionist Zionism. Zionism is the belief in creating a Jewish homeland to prevent further persecution. Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.

Just as you can be a German nationalist without being a nazi, you can be a Zionist without being a revisionist Zionist.


There is no such thing as different branches of zionism.

All zionisms are the same, revisionist is just a later stage of "normal" zionism itself.

You can't have "revisionist" zionism without israel. But you can have israel without zionism.

Clearly they are not all the same because there is a clear difference for anyone who bothered to do their research.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:29
 KYBL
I predict that I am pissing off unleashed so much that he made an alt to respond to me and then deny it is his alt.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:39
 KYBL
Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:36

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:15

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:13

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:52

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 13:49

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:29

Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.


You are expecting humane responses from cold-blooded murderers (zionists). It's not gonna happen.

At least I give a response to criticism, you are yet to actually provide an argument to anything. You make assertions and ignore responses.


hahaha look at this kid, i am not gonna waste my time replying to insane fools. But just for the sake of the argument i will assume that you are a healthy human being like me:

Zionism is a ideology that can be related to nazism in the single fact that both try archive a general increment in living space for their own people. While nazism main core of support was fanatical germans, Zionism main core of support is mostly the jewish elite, how can you constain the virulent cancer if their core has no boundaries? How can you tell from a zionist jewish and a non-zionist jewish?

You are confusing Zionism with Revisionist Zionism. Zionism is the belief in creating a Jewish homeland to prevent further persecution. Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.

Just as you can be a German nationalist without being a nazi, you can be a Zionist without being a revisionist Zionist.


There is no such thing as different branches of zionism.

All zionisms are the same, revisionist is just a later stage of "normal" zionism itself.

You can't have "revisionist" zionism without israel. But you can have israel without zionism

Clearly they are not all the same because there is a clear difference for anyone who bothered to do their research.


No, you are lying.
Zionism Zionism, you can't neglect the fact that revisionist zionism is just a later stage of zionism.

Just like white separatism is a nice way of saying apartheid and white supremacy.

Revisionist Zionism is just a radical form of zionism like objectivism is a radical form of libertarianism.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 14:54
And one last time to make it clear, I am not Unleashed heaven. Thx to Pinhero for deleting the posts. I'm out. Peace.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 15:01
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:36

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:15

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:13

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:52

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 13:49

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:29

Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.


You are expecting humane responses from cold-blooded murderers (zionists). It's not gonna happen.

At least I give a response to criticism, you are yet to actually provide an argument to anything. You make assertions and ignore responses.


hahaha look at this kid, i am not gonna waste my time replying to insane fools. But just for the sake of the argument i will assume that you are a healthy human being like me:

Zionism is a ideology that can be related to nazism in the single fact that both try archive a general increment in living space for their own people. While nazism main core of support was fanatical germans, Zionism main core of support is mostly the jewish elite, how can you constain the virulent cancer if their core has no boundaries? How can you tell from a zionist jewish and a non-zionist jewish?

You are confusing Zionism with Revisionist Zionism. Zionism is the belief in creating a Jewish homeland to prevent further persecution. Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.

Just as you can be a German nationalist without being a nazi, you can be a Zionist without being a revisionist Zionist.


There is no such thing as different branches of zionism.

All zionisms are the same, revisionist is just a later stage of "normal" zionism itself.

You can't have "revisionist" zionism without israel. But you can have israel without zionism

Clearly they are not all the same because there is a clear difference for anyone who bothered to do their research.


No, you are lying.
Zionism Zionism, you can't neglect the fact that revisionist zionism is just a later stage of zionism.

Just like white separatism is a nice way of saying apartheid and white supremacy.

Revisionist Zionism is just a radical form of zionism like objectivism is a radical form of libertarianism.


Again, read what i am saying: you can't have revisionist zionism without the prior existence of zionism, as the practice requires a already pre-existent jewish state, for the jewish state to exist you need zionism, but once the state is created: there is no more need for zionism.

Don't change the topic to objectivism.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 15:03
And the mask comes off :3

OMG. Zatara is Unleashed? Has Zatara been Unleashed all of this time? UNBELIEVABLE
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 15:06
 KYBL
Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 15:01

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:36

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:15

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:13

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:52

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 13:49

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:29

Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.


You are expecting humane responses from cold-blooded murderers (zionists). It's not gonna happen.

At least I give a response to criticism, you are yet to actually provide an argument to anything. You make assertions and ignore responses.


hahaha look at this kid, i am not gonna waste my time replying to insane fools. But just for the sake of the argument i will assume that you are a healthy human being like me:

Zionism is a ideology that can be related to nazism in the single fact that both try archive a general increment in living space for their own people. While nazism main core of support was fanatical germans, Zionism main core of support is mostly the jewish elite, how can you constain the virulent cancer if their core has no boundaries? How can you tell from a zionist jewish and a non-zionist jewish?

You are confusing Zionism with Revisionist Zionism. Zionism is the belief in creating a Jewish homeland to prevent further persecution. Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.

Just as you can be a German nationalist without being a nazi, you can be a Zionist without being a revisionist Zionist.


There is no such thing as different branches of zionism.

All zionisms are the same, revisionist is just a later stage of "normal" zionism itself.

You can't have "revisionist" zionism without israel. But you can have israel without zionism

Clearly they are not all the same because there is a clear difference for anyone who bothered to do their research.


No, you are lying.
Zionism Zionism, you can't neglect the fact that revisionist zionism is just a later stage of zionism.

Just like white separatism is a nice way of saying apartheid and white supremacy.

Revisionist Zionism is just a radical form of zionism like objectivism is a radical form of libertarianism.


Again, read what i am saying: you can't have revisionist zionism without the prior existence of zionism, as the practice requires a already pre-existent jewish state, for the jewish state to exist you need zionism, but once the state is created: there is no more need for zionism.

Don't change the topic to objectivism.

I'm not changing the topic, I'm giving a valid comparison.

You can't have Islamic terrorism without Islam
You can't have revisionist Zionism without Zionism
You can't have laissez-faire capitalism without capitalism
You can't have nazism without nationalism
You can't have Stalinism without communism
You can't have Eco-terrorism without environmentalism
You can't have radical anything without the less radical version of it

No matter what ideology you have, someone will eventually corrupt it to make it extreme. Zionism isn't different. Yes, you can't have revisionist Zionism without Zionism, but you can't have any radical ideology without it stemming from a moderate ideology. Any ideology can become evil.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 15:07
Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 15:01

Again, read what i am saying: you can't have revisionist zionism without the prior existence of zionism, as the practice requires a already pre-existent jewish state, for the jewish state to exist you need zionism, but once the state is created: there is no more need for zionism.

Don't change the topic to objectivism.


The question is, can you have Zizouism without zionism?
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 15:13
 KYBL
Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 15:07

Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 15:01

Again, read what i am saying: you can't have revisionist zionism without the prior existence of zionism, as the practice requires a already pre-existent jewish state, for the jewish state to exist you need zionism, but once the state is created: there is no more need for zionism.

Don't change the topic to objectivism.


The question is, can you have Zizouism without zionism?

Zizonism*
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 15:14
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 15:06

Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 15:01

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:36

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:15

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:13

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:52

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 13:49

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:29

Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.


You are expecting humane responses from cold-blooded murderers (zionists). It's not gonna happen.

At least I give a response to criticism, you are yet to actually provide an argument to anything. You make assertions and ignore responses.


hahaha look at this kid, i am not gonna waste my time replying to insane fools. But just for the sake of the argument i will assume that you are a healthy human being like me:

Zionism is a ideology that can be related to nazism in the single fact that both try archive a general increment in living space for their own people. While nazism main core of support was fanatical germans, Zionism main core of support is mostly the jewish elite, how can you constain the virulent cancer if their core has no boundaries? How can you tell from a zionist jewish and a non-zionist jewish?

You are confusing Zionism with Revisionist Zionism. Zionism is the belief in creating a Jewish homeland to prevent further persecution. Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.

Just as you can be a German nationalist without being a nazi, you can be a Zionist without being a revisionist Zionist.


There is no such thing as different branches of zionism.

All zionisms are the same, revisionist is just a later stage of "normal" zionism itself.

You can't have "revisionist" zionism without israel. But you can have israel without zionism

Clearly they are not all the same because there is a clear difference for anyone who bothered to do their research.


No, you are lying.
Zionism Zionism, you can't neglect the fact that revisionist zionism is just a later stage of zionism.

Just like white separatism is a nice way of saying apartheid and white supremacy.

Revisionist Zionism is just a radical form of zionism like objectivism is a radical form of libertarianism.


Again, read what i am saying: you can't have revisionist zionism without the prior existence of zionism, as the practice requires a already pre-existent jewish state, for the jewish state to exist you need zionism, but once the state is created: there is no more need for zionism.

Don't change the topic to objectivism.

I'm not changing the topic, I'm giving a valid comparison.

You can't have Islamic terrorism without Islam
You can't have revisionist Zionism without Zionism
You can't have laissez-faire capitalism without capitalism
You can't have nazism without nationalism
You can't have Stalinism without communism
You can't have Eco-terrorism without environmentalism
You can't have radical anything without the less radical version of it

No matter what ideology you have, someone will eventually corrupt it to make it extreme. Zionism isn't different. Yes, you can't have revisionist Zionism without Zionism, but you can't have any radical ideology without it stemming from a moderate ideology. Any ideology can become evil.


Here is your flaw: all the "ideologies" that you point out, can exist without their "normal form" and if they did, we would call them "normal" unlike revisionist zionism and laissez-faire, which are dependent on the prior existence of their "normal" self.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 15:22
 KYBL
Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 15:14

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 15:06

Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 15:01

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:36

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:15

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 14:13

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:52

Kirjutas Guest, 06.05.2014 at 13:49

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 13:29

Kirjutas Unleash Hell, 06.05.2014 at 13:27

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 06.05.2014 at 13:17

Is this a humane response, to a human being who lives under these hard circumstances and shares his experiences with us?I would like to slap you now.
I dont have personal experience on the matter, but having seen two documentaries on the internet, some articles here and there and some Palestinians we have here, i got the impression things are how yazan say they are.


You are expecting humane responses from cold-blooded murderers (zionists). It's not gonna happen.

At least I give a response to criticism, you are yet to actually provide an argument to anything. You make assertions and ignore responses.


hahaha look at this kid, i am not gonna waste my time replying to insane fools. But just for the sake of the argument i will assume that you are a healthy human being like me:

Zionism is a ideology that can be related to nazism in the single fact that both try archive a general increment in living space for their own people. While nazism main core of support was fanatical germans, Zionism main core of support is mostly the jewish elite, how can you constain the virulent cancer if their core has no boundaries? How can you tell from a zionist jewish and a non-zionist jewish?

You are confusing Zionism with Revisionist Zionism. Zionism is the belief in creating a Jewish homeland to prevent further persecution. Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.

Just as you can be a German nationalist without being a nazi, you can be a Zionist without being a revisionist Zionist.


There is no such thing as different branches of zionism.

All zionisms are the same, revisionist is just a later stage of "normal" zionism itself.

You can't have "revisionist" zionism without israel. But you can have israel without zionism

Clearly they are not all the same because there is a clear difference for anyone who bothered to do their research.


No, you are lying.
Zionism Zionism, you can't neglect the fact that revisionist zionism is just a later stage of zionism.

Just like white separatism is a nice way of saying apartheid and white supremacy.

Revisionist Zionism is just a radical form of zionism like objectivism is a radical form of libertarianism.


Again, read what i am saying: you can't have revisionist zionism without the prior existence of zionism, as the practice requires a already pre-existent jewish state, for the jewish state to exist you need zionism, but once the state is created: there is no more need for zionism.

Don't change the topic to objectivism.

I'm not changing the topic, I'm giving a valid comparison.

You can't have Islamic terrorism without Islam
You can't have revisionist Zionism without Zionism
You can't have laissez-faire capitalism without capitalism
You can't have nazism without nationalism
You can't have Stalinism without communism
You can't have Eco-terrorism without environmentalism
You can't have radical anything without the less radical version of it

No matter what ideology you have, someone will eventually corrupt it to make it extreme. Zionism isn't different. Yes, you can't have revisionist Zionism without Zionism, but you can't have any radical ideology without it stemming from a moderate ideology. Any ideology can become evil.


Here is your flaw: all the "ideologies" that you point out, can exist without their "normal form" and if they did, we would call them "normal" unlike revisionist zionism and laissez-faire, which are dependent on the prior existence of their "normal" self.

Except that is not true. Stalinism directly stems from communism. If communism never existed, neither would Stalinism. Eco-terrorism would not exist if environmentalism never existed, there would have been no reason for it. No Muslim terrorist would commit terrorism if Islam had never existed. Nazism is inherently nationalist, and if there was never nationalism, there would be no nazism.

A minority of zionists are revisionist zionists
A minority of capitalists are laissez-faire
A minority of nationalists are nazis
A minority of communists are Stalinist
A minority of Muslims are terrorists
A minority of environmentalists are Eco-terrorists

These radical ideologies as long as less radical ones exist. You can't blame the less radical ideology for it because they aren't corrupting someone else, their ideology is being corrupted by someone.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 16:09
Kentucky posted so much bullshit, i don't even know where so start

First of all, if stalin had invented communism, we woudn't call it stalinism, we would call it communism.

2nd by your logic i can conclude the following: since communism is the reaction of a bad experience that a worker had under capitalism, and nazism is the reaction to a warmonger capitalism followed by a aggresive communism, then WITHOUT CAPITALISM NOBODY WILL EVER COME UP WITH A FORM OF COMMUNISM OR NAZISM.

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3rd: zionism can't survive without revisionist zionism because israel already exist
If ideologies don't adapt to the current world they just die, like soviet communism, why do you think communist china adopted elements of capitalism? Why do you think america adopted laiisez-faire during ww2? Why do you think socialist countries like cuba and venezuela are shit? Because if you don't adapt the ideology dies.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 17:27
Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 16:09

Kentucky posted so much bullshit, i don't even know where so start

First of all, if stalin had invented communism, we woudn't call it stalinism, we would call it communism.

2nd by your logic i can conclude the following: since communism is the reaction of a bad experience that a worker had under capitalism, and nazism is the reaction to a warmonger capitalism followed by a aggresive communism, then WITHOUT CAPITALISM NOBODY WILL EVER COME UP WITH A FORM OF COMMUNISM OR NAZISM.

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3rd: zionism can't survive without revisionist zionism because israel already exist
If ideologies don't adapt to the current world they just die, like soviet communism, why do you think communist china adopted elements of capitalism? Why do you think america adopted laiisez-faire during ww2? Why do you think socialist countries like cuba and venezuela are shit? Because if you don't adapt the ideology dies.

You make an excellent, concrete point.
Israel already exists. In law, and in fact.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 17:44
Intending to write a few paragraphs on the question and looking to seek the truth (if it can be revealed) through the competing claims of justice, perhaps the better question is:
What is the plain meaning of Zionism, in light of these facts?

1. Israel currently exists. It has been established, it does reflect some characteristics of the historical Jewish culture.
2. It is accepted in international law as being in existence (international legal recognition/'de jure').
3. It maintains territorial integrity due to its own diligence ('de facto' state power).
4. Israel's de facto and de jure existence is against the background of continuing legal disputation of its legality and repeated military attempts to usurp its territory.

So, if Zionism "is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel" it would seem that a Zionist would be one who 'maintains' the objectives already achieved.
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What is the ideology that affirms the continuing existence of the United States of America, within its historical borders, by American people, as being Americanist, or the People's Republic of Canada, as being Canadaist (or Russia, China, Germany, France, India, etc.)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 17:54
 KYBL
Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 16:09

Kentucky posted so much bullshit, i don't even know where so start

First of all, if stalin had invented communism, we woudn't call it stalinism, we would call it communism.

2nd by your logic i can conclude the following: since communism is the reaction of a bad experience that a worker had under capitalism, and nazism is the reaction to a warmonger capitalism followed by a aggresive communism, then WITHOUT CAPITALISM NOBODY WILL EVER COME UP WITH A FORM OF COMMUNISM OR NAZISM.

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3rd: zionism can't survive without revisionist zionism because israel already exist
If ideologies don't adapt to the current world they just die, like soviet communism, why do you think communist china adopted elements of capitalism? Why do you think america adopted laiisez-faire during ww2? Why do you think socialist countries like cuba and venezuela are shit? Because if you don't adapt the ideology dies.

Communism wouldn't have existed without capitalism, or at least the way we know it today. That is irrelevant though, my point was that ideologies stem from each other. And just because one ideology evolved from another, doesn't mean that the new ideology becomes dominant. Laissez-faire isn't dominant among capitalists, and revisionist Zionism isn't dominant among Zionists.
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Revisionist Zionism isn't an adaption to the new world. If anything, it is a step back to the 17th century where nations just murdered and destroyed each other to form empires. Zionism can survive without revisionist Zionism because Israel doesn't rely on an occupation and murder of Palestinians. Israel relies on peace and international cooperation, the exact opposite of what the revisionist Zionists are bringing.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 17:56
 KYBL
Kirjutas zombieyeti, 06.05.2014 at 17:44

Intending to write a few paragraphs on the question and looking to seek the truth (if it can be revealed) through the competing claims of justice, perhaps the better question is:
What is the plain meaning of Zionism, in light of these facts?

1. Israel currently exists. It has been established, it does reflect some characteristics of the historical Jewish culture.
2. It is accepted in international law as being in existence (international legal recognition/'de jure').
3. It maintains territorial integrity due to its own diligence ('de facto' state power).
4. Israel's de facto and de jure existence is against the background of continuing legal disputation of its legality and repeated military attempts to usurp its territory.

So, if Zionism "is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel" it would seem that a Zionist would be one who 'maintains' the objectives already achieved.
===
What is the ideology that affirms the continuing existence of the United States of America, within its historical borders, by American people, as being Americanist, or the People's Republic of Canada, as being Canadaist (or Russia, China, Germany, France, India, etc.)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

America and Canada are not in the same state as Israel is. Israel is not recognized by a lot of countries and is constantly threatened (often for their own doing). The US and Canada do not have this situation. The idea of "Zionism" will die off once it is no longer needed, and it will no longer be needed when Israel is just as established, recognized, and peaceful as any other country.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 18:04
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 17:54

Revisionist Zionism isn't an adaption to the new world. If anything, it is a step back to the 17th century where nations just murdered and destroyed each other to form empires. Zionism can survive without revisionist Zionism because Israel doesn't rely on an occupation and murder of Palestinians. Israel relies on peace and international cooperation, the exact opposite of what the revisionist Zionists are bringing.


Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.


Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 18:14
 KYBL
Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 18:04

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 17:54

Revisionist Zionism isn't an adaption to the new world. If anything, it is a step back to the 17th century where nations just murdered and destroyed each other to form empires. Zionism can survive without revisionist Zionism because Israel doesn't rely on an occupation and murder of Palestinians. Israel relies on peace and international cooperation, the exact opposite of what the revisionist Zionists are bringing.


Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.




Propaganda and I have explained this before but I will do it again.

FIRST MAP: The "Palestinian land" is not land owned by Palestinians, it is merely land not owned by Jews. Much of it was owned by the British colonial government.

SECOND MAP: This was never put into practice, it was nothing but a recommendation. The Jews accepted this proposal along with the majority of the UN but the Arabs declined it and invaded Israel instead.

THIRD MAP: There was never a Palestinian state in these territories. The West Bank was under Jordanian control and Gaza was under Egyptian control. Keep in mind that all Jews living in the West Bank at this time were expelled.

LAST MAP: This is the first time that Palestinians got sovereignty over any land ever. Jews are banned from living in the Palestinian land while 20% of Israel is Muslim Palestinian.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 18:18
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 18:14

Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 18:04

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 17:54

Revisionist Zionism isn't an adaption to the new world. If anything, it is a step back to the 17th century where nations just murdered and destroyed each other to form empires. Zionism can survive without revisionist Zionism because Israel doesn't rely on an occupation and murder of Palestinians. Israel relies on peace and international cooperation, the exact opposite of what the revisionist Zionists are bringing.


Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.




Propaganda and I have explained this before but I will do it again.

FIRST MAP: The "Palestinian land" is not land owned by Palestinians, it is merely land not owned by Jews. Much of it was owned by the British colonial government.


plz provide me with a source to this claim
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 18:19
Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 17:56

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 06.05.2014 at 17:44

Intending to write a few paragraphs on the question and looking to seek the truth (if it can be revealed) through the competing claims of justice, perhaps the better question is:
What is the plain meaning of Zionism, in light of these facts?

1. Israel currently exists. It has been established, it does reflect some characteristics of the historical Jewish culture.
2. It is accepted in international law as being in existence (international legal recognition/'de jure').
3. It maintains territorial integrity due to its own diligence ('de facto' state power).
4. Israel's de facto and de jure existence is against the background of continuing legal disputation of its legality and repeated military attempts to usurp its territory.

So, if Zionism "is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel" it would seem that a Zionist would be one who 'maintains' the objectives already achieved.
===
What is the ideology that affirms the continuing existence of the United States of America, within its historical borders, by American people, as being Americanist, or the People's Republic of Canada, as being Canadaist (or Russia, China, Germany, France, India, etc.)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

America and Canada are not in the same state as Israel is. Israel is not recognized by a lot of countries and is constantly threatened (often for their own doing). The US and Canada do not have this situation. The idea of "Zionism" will die off once it is no longer needed, and it will no longer be needed when Israel is just as established, recognized, and peaceful as any other country.

I am not sure that you have answered my question, but I *think* you mean that there is no name for national-ideologies-that-aren't-Israel-unless-the-country-doesn't-currently-exist.

Should the definition of Zionism be changed to "(t)he national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel and recognition by Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Djibouti, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Pakistan, Qatar,Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Venezuela, Chad, Comoros, Guinea, Mali, Niger, The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic of Western Sahara, Cuba, Republic of China (Taiwan), North Korea, Afghanistan, Bhutan, Maldives, Brunei & Indonesia"?

If so, it would seem that Zionism is a 'special case'.

America is not in the same state as Canada is, either.
I don't see people burning effigies of Harper or shredding l'Unifolié, chanting 'Down With Canada' (except during the Stanley Cup finals, and then, not recently) or crashing planes into the CN Tower. America is constantly threatened (often for their own doing). Yes, the United States is recognized by more countries than Israel is, but there are other contested 'nations' with de jure and de factor international recognition.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 18:51
 KYBL
Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 18:18

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 18:14

Kirjutas UnIeashed, 06.05.2014 at 18:04

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 17:54

Revisionist Zionism isn't an adaption to the new world. If anything, it is a step back to the 17th century where nations just murdered and destroyed each other to form empires. Zionism can survive without revisionist Zionism because Israel doesn't rely on an occupation and murder of Palestinians. Israel relies on peace and international cooperation, the exact opposite of what the revisionist Zionists are bringing.


Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 14:39

Revisionist Zionism is the cancer that plagues Zionism in which you support the murder or forced deportation of Palestinians.




Propaganda and I have explained this before but I will do it again.

FIRST MAP: The "Palestinian land" is not land owned by Palestinians, it is merely land not owned by Jews. Much of it was owned by the British colonial government.


plz provide me with a source to this claim


Calculations:
26, 625.6km2 - Mandatory Palestine

12, 577km2 - Beersheba - 85% or 10, 690.45km2 owned by government - 40% of all land in mandatory Palestine is public land in Beersheba District alone.

The remaining 15 districts average out to 13% being publicly owned, which would make about 53% of Palestine publicly owned land.
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Laadimine...
Laadimine...
06.05.2014 - 18:52
 KYBL
Kirjutas zombieyeti, 06.05.2014 at 18:19

Kirjutas KYBL, 06.05.2014 at 17:56

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 06.05.2014 at 17:44

Intending to write a few paragraphs on the question and looking to seek the truth (if it can be revealed) through the competing claims of justice, perhaps the better question is:
What is the plain meaning of Zionism, in light of these facts?

1. Israel currently exists. It has been established, it does reflect some characteristics of the historical Jewish culture.
2. It is accepted in international law as being in existence (international legal recognition/'de jure').
3. It maintains territorial integrity due to its own diligence ('de facto' state power).
4. Israel's de facto and de jure existence is against the background of continuing legal disputation of its legality and repeated military attempts to usurp its territory.

So, if Zionism "is the national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel" it would seem that a Zionist would be one who 'maintains' the objectives already achieved.
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What is the ideology that affirms the continuing existence of the United States of America, within its historical borders, by American people, as being Americanist, or the People's Republic of Canada, as being Canadaist (or Russia, China, Germany, France, India, etc.)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

America and Canada are not in the same state as Israel is. Israel is not recognized by a lot of countries and is constantly threatened (often for their own doing). The US and Canada do not have this situation. The idea of "Zionism" will die off once it is no longer needed, and it will no longer be needed when Israel is just as established, recognized, and peaceful as any other country.

I am not sure that you have answered my question, but I *think* you mean that there is no name for national-ideologies-that-aren't-Israel-unless-the-country-doesn't-currently-exist.

Should the definition of Zionism be changed to "(t)he national movement of Jews and Jewish culture that supports the creation of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the Land of Israel and recognition by Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Djibouti, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Pakistan, Qatar,Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Venezuela, Chad, Comoros, Guinea, Mali, Niger, The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic of Western Sahara, Cuba, Republic of China (Taiwan), North Korea, Afghanistan, Bhutan, Maldives, Brunei & Indonesia"?

If so, it would seem that Zionism is a 'special case'.

America is not in the same state as Canada is, either.
I don't see people burning effigies of Harper or shredding l'Unifolié, chanting 'Down With Canada' (except during the Stanley Cup finals, and then, not recently) or crashing planes into the CN Tower. America is constantly threatened (often for their own doing). Yes, the United States is recognized by more countries than Israel is, but there are other contested 'nations' with de jure and de factor international recognition.

Yes, but the recognition is the most important factor. Modern Zionism is about gaining legitimacy for Israel. America already has legitimacy internationally.
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06.05.2014 - 19:16
"Moreover, the practice of "mapping Israel" was not only a practice of technologies of surveying, much recent research and documentation has shown. It was predicated upon the active displacement of its earlier residents. The destruction of Palestinian houses within occupied territories-according to data released by the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories," or B'Tselem, numbering some 4,170 Palestinian homes as of 2000, in a process that extended back to the beginning of those territories occupation in 1967. The homes of some 1,400 residences were demolished during the first two decades of the occupation after 1967; another 700 were destroyed by way of reprisal at the time during the four years of first "intifada," and another 600 since then through 2004. (According to Middle East Watch, the only other country in the world to have demolished homes as a form of punishment was the Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein.) The stakes are high. Only after the March of Return to Independence Day of 2002 did agreement emerge to identify with Arabic names Palestinian villages that had existed in Israel before 1948, as well as their Hebrew names; many were taken by surprise by this strange proposal as late as 2000. The "other" side of the narrative of Israel's settlement is presented in this 2012 map of the diminishing expanse of land occupied by Palestinians from 1897 up until the present. The below map cannot capture the human cost of displacement of some 5 million Palestinian refugees from the 1948 and 1967 wars and their descendants, now living in Jordan, Libya, and Syria, as well as the West Bank; it cannot adequately present the moment of the expulsion of Palestinian people from the former Palestine, still commemorated on May 15 as the Nakba Day [يوم الن], or the Day of Catastrophe, as a day of tragic loss of regional autonomy and land-ownership."




Stop cherry picking data, this information was in the same page that your picture.
any individual with a brain can see that Arabs owned more land than the jews and british combined.
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