Dueling Etiquette
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It's come to my attention recently that I'm an incredibly unpopular player in this game. Certainly it's not a result of lacking social grace or charisma, but perhaps something less sophisticated and relevant. The game's dueling is something in the last few months I've gotten in to, through self discovery and teaching, and has resulted in the incredible rank and score I've acquired. Surely, that quick jump shouldn't be a problem; but it's the reason I'm writing this today. Although no one has given me a clear-cut, valid argument or regulation for the way we duelers operate, I feel obligated to listen to their wisdom (or lack thereof). So, as the title establishes, the latter portion of this forum is for our collective, educated ideas for dueling so that no one is: misused, tormented, criticized, belabored, or abusive with the dueling process.
One of the thoughts about my dueling which is seen as unfair or cheating is the variety of levels I contest. Yes, I've fought every rank except 1, 2, and the dreaded 13 at a variety of ranks. The furthest rank from my own was a Rank 3 I battled just the other day (I'm Rank 10). The question of course is: Is it unfair that a Rank 10 should be dueling Rank 3s that haven't a chance at winning? The answer is no. Rank means upgrades and it fallaciously assumes skill. Any number of reasons could allow a low ranking character to beat a high ranking character. The low ranking character could be an alt of someone very skillful, the low ranking character could be very skillful but hasn't had the chance to accumulate SP, or any other reason you can imagine. The point is, a character joins a duel because they think they can beat the other person. Whether or not they can is for a later point; the truth of this point is that it's the Rank 3's independent choice to try to win against that Rank 10. I recognize the lack of upgrades a low ranking character can have though, so I propose we establish ranks 0-4 should not fight ranks 5-13 unless extenuating circumstances are present.
The second problem people seem to have with my dueling style is the country I choose and have reserved just for me. Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales in Primal's Medieval Europe 1150 when I duel there. Is it because the country is overpowered or anything other than my favorite? No. I duel there because I happened upon Wales and trained there for awhile before deciding to duel regularly. From there I've only lost on that map three times and once (today) as Wales itself. Wales is an exceptionally powerful country, with a superior position, economy, and troop production, it can pack a punch that'll knock down anybody that dares to fight. However, it can be beaten. Today it has been beaten and yesterday it almost had been (Mortimer was taken three times in that duel) and in other non-duel games I've beaten it. Ask Eagle (the Serbian one that beat Wales) or the Troll (guy that I beat when he was Wales) if you want verification. If the country was truly overpowered and unbeatable then it shouldn't be played. I think that's a given.
The last seemingly arguable point people have tried to make with me are the personal settings for a duel (turn time, initial funds, etc) and reserving a country. As far as the settings go, I think the go-to turn time for players should be four minutes unless they're both comfortable with less or a challenge is made for less. That means if two quick players want one minute turns then they can go for it, but I'll play my average pace and win through thoughtful engagement. Starting funds should be agreed upon by the two players but should be just enough to get the most expensive country. I allow 15k starting funds because with that money a person can get any country they desire and are not restricted or barred from good countries like Champagne, but also do not have enough money to spam units unskillfully until they win like in a 50k match. Rare units: none; leave it to skill and not chance.
As for reserving a starting country it should be looked at just like any other rule. If one or both of the players have a country they've trained as and they are capable fighters as it only makes sense for them to duel. It should be established whether or not characters decide to allow reservations or random selection. I think it makes more sense that duelers battle based on things they know rather than what they don't. It wouldn't make sense for a guy that knows fencing to be thrown in to a jousting tournament, or fair if a boxer had to strap on football equipment and not use what skills he actually has. Of course, players can opt to have certain countries banned from duels if they are completely overpowered and unstoppable with certain strats. I've read in the forums a Ukraine with Blitz in EU++ is unstoppable and Macedonia in Ancient World can't be beaten.
Regardless of the circumstances or allowances of my gaming style, it's not my intention to cheat my fellow players in AtWar. Quite the opposite is my intention, if this post has any effect, to educate my fellow players and better the gaming experience for all so that none should do wrong by us. Please post your thoughts on the matter.
One of the thoughts about my dueling which is seen as unfair or cheating is the variety of levels I contest. Yes, I've fought every rank except 1, 2, and the dreaded 13 at a variety of ranks. The furthest rank from my own was a Rank 3 I battled just the other day (I'm Rank 10). The question of course is: Is it unfair that a Rank 10 should be dueling Rank 3s that haven't a chance at winning? The answer is no. Rank means upgrades and it fallaciously assumes skill. Any number of reasons could allow a low ranking character to beat a high ranking character. The low ranking character could be an alt of someone very skillful, the low ranking character could be very skillful but hasn't had the chance to accumulate SP, or any other reason you can imagine. The point is, a character joins a duel because they think they can beat the other person. Whether or not they can is for a later point; the truth of this point is that it's the Rank 3's independent choice to try to win against that Rank 10. I recognize the lack of upgrades a low ranking character can have though, so I propose we establish ranks 0-4 should not fight ranks 5-13 unless extenuating circumstances are present.
The second problem people seem to have with my dueling style is the country I choose and have reserved just for me. Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales in Primal's Medieval Europe 1150 when I duel there. Is it because the country is overpowered or anything other than my favorite? No. I duel there because I happened upon Wales and trained there for awhile before deciding to duel regularly. From there I've only lost on that map three times and once (today) as Wales itself. Wales is an exceptionally powerful country, with a superior position, economy, and troop production, it can pack a punch that'll knock down anybody that dares to fight. However, it can be beaten. Today it has been beaten and yesterday it almost had been (Mortimer was taken three times in that duel) and in other non-duel games I've beaten it. Ask Eagle (the Serbian one that beat Wales) or the Troll (guy that I beat when he was Wales) if you want verification. If the country was truly overpowered and unbeatable then it shouldn't be played. I think that's a given.
The last seemingly arguable point people have tried to make with me are the personal settings for a duel (turn time, initial funds, etc) and reserving a country. As far as the settings go, I think the go-to turn time for players should be four minutes unless they're both comfortable with less or a challenge is made for less. That means if two quick players want one minute turns then they can go for it, but I'll play my average pace and win through thoughtful engagement. Starting funds should be agreed upon by the two players but should be just enough to get the most expensive country. I allow 15k starting funds because with that money a person can get any country they desire and are not restricted or barred from good countries like Champagne, but also do not have enough money to spam units unskillfully until they win like in a 50k match. Rare units: none; leave it to skill and not chance.
As for reserving a starting country it should be looked at just like any other rule. If one or both of the players have a country they've trained as and they are capable fighters as it only makes sense for them to duel. It should be established whether or not characters decide to allow reservations or random selection. I think it makes more sense that duelers battle based on things they know rather than what they don't. It wouldn't make sense for a guy that knows fencing to be thrown in to a jousting tournament, or fair if a boxer had to strap on football equipment and not use what skills he actually has. Of course, players can opt to have certain countries banned from duels if they are completely overpowered and unstoppable with certain strats. I've read in the forums a Ukraine with Blitz in EU++ is unstoppable and Macedonia in Ancient World can't be beaten.
Regardless of the circumstances or allowances of my gaming style, it's not my intention to cheat my fellow players in AtWar. Quite the opposite is my intention, if this post has any effect, to educate my fellow players and better the gaming experience for all so that none should do wrong by us. Please post your thoughts on the matter.
Are you joking? Nothing you said was in any capacity constructive. And yes you made a comment about how all I'm saying now is that the people I'm arguing with are ones that aren't being constructive and that's completely true. This thread is for establishing or considering a constructive way to engage future duels, not for miserable people like you to babble on about how horrible others are in the game. I've already established most of what you've said; you just threw it back at me again for no reason and make this pathetic claim that it's really you trying to hel out. You should get out of this. You never brought anything useful to it anyway.
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Lol, not farming and legal? Crying cause only he wants to play for winning is wales and if u pick it he kicks you? Is that not farming and legal? Where are the rules about to make a duel and kick everybody who picks the op country in the map? I would like to see you joining in his game and getting kicked, probably you would change your mind. And playing 80% times low ranks is not farming? Come on man, obviously what can we expect from u.... He quoted something and i think you are the only one who is supporting what he is doing, something wrong it´s happening with you don´t you think? Oh right, i´m wrong, a rank 10 only playing wales, kicking people and dueling low ranks is not farming is ok. I didn´t realise the wrong persons are we all the rest that are trying to explain him the correct position. He quoted for something and to receive constructive opinions and we are giving him posibilities and opinions and 90% the people posted here is disagree with him, i think only you gave him the reason.
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Everything he is telling you is constructive: - don´t kick the players in your games and surely you will be more respected. - don´t duel low ranks without chance of winning and probably u will get more respect. - playing like that you´ll never got really skills cause only do the same, in the same map, with the samemoney, in the same country and in the same conditions. --I clearly voiced your type of playing (unfairness, kicking, farming narbs...) doesnt belong to offical TOP duellists list (Elo list). I think this words are a good resume of the post. What do u want as constructive so?
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Following you? dude i posted here before u did, i´m not following you. What you are doing is perfectly legal though, when it comes to the rules, so you can continue what you are doing. I wouldn't say you 'farmed' your Elo. instead I blame poor activity of the other players. Is this the same opinion? jajaja
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If you join he's game he will tell you what he wants, if you agree then just accept your win or loss.
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Hormi cow discussion best part of this thread  "something wrong it´s happening with you don´t you think?" xaxaxa
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I didn´t see the time before your post and mine, i simply look sometimes the posts are updated and look the opinions and comment them if i think is relevant. And yes i use them, so sometimes i receive the notification and can read them faster.
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Ofc, the problem is lot of times are low ranks than probably don´t know even what´s a duel. Incluse sometines i have seen how players tell them they are going to teach them (in a duel of course) jajajaja
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i agree on that matter
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Lol the only person who told he is doing ok is him  And then in another post he says he´s changing his mind and was wrong about this issue. Are we mad?
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lol, well for the most part you two actually agree. You both think what kord is doing is wrong. You just think its illegal, which it is not whereas cow thinks it is not illegal, but not cool. Illegal is not the same as immoral or wrong. You cant just say something is illegal if its not against official rules. So bottom line what kord is doing is shitty but its not against the rules and you and cow agree and will become best buddies 
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What he doing is ok as in he doesn't break any rules. Also I said that I changed my mind in regards to the fairness of duels, I never agreed with your definition of farming. An English course would serve you very well homi, especially if it included reading comprehension.
Once he stops stalking me we could be on neutral terms, don't know about the best buddies part yet.
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Actually whether hes breaking the rules or not is up to interpretation, read the rules on farming, they are vague. I would class it as farming, especially since his methods will allow him to win a seasonal trophy. Apparently kords duelist of the season.
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Hm you might be right. i do not know about this so ill stay out. what i do know is hormiga + chocobana = bffs!
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Where did i say it´s ilegal? I never wrote that, i always try to talk about unfair, incorrect, coward, farming, inmoral, or whatever u want to call it, but i never said ilegal and if i did show me it please and i´ll accept my mistake in that word, but dude i could write it. Just some questions: - Is it needed a rule to remember or teach you don´t cyberaccosing? - Is it needed a rule to remember or teach you don´t kick people in the games? - Is it needed a rule to remember or teach you don´t make from this game a political propaganda? - Is it needed a rule to remember or teach you what´s correct or what is wrong here? Everything are excuses, everybody knows perfectly what can do or not in some aspects. Do u need a rule at home wrote on the wall for not insulting to your family? Why do u need that rules here?
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Long time i read a topic so full of shit as this one. Btw. i love when people say the "its beatable" cliche ...makes me wanna trow up and slap Clovis in the fucking head. Imagine me holding a shotgun and saying ..."there is a fork over there, come and try to stab me to death ...what? I know its unfair bro ...but its possible" Its reasonable that a duelist plays what he does best??? ...how will we arrange that every duelist plays what he does best at the same time every time? What makes you the special one? Hey ...i play the beeeest Ukraine vs Germany. Could you all please round up one by one so i can rape you with my best shit? Dueling Etiquette ...how dare you...
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yes u did 
anyway it would be nice if people could be fair and decent without any official laws and rules.Unfortunately it doesnt work that way, it doesnt in real life and it doesnt here. Humans as a species are egoistic pieces of shit, they are a parasite and a virus, dont expect much from them.
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hold on while i make 100 alts to upvote you with.
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if we could do that i guess i have no choice but to make a map where one coutnries have a advantage of another, and use it in duel since it's legit
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would you duel me in the map i am making?
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