Palestine vs Israel

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 13:24

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 13:03

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 08:28

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 07:48

How does Israel propose to help those people?

Israel offered to give them Israeli ID and full rights like any citizen in the state, but they refused. Though why Israel should propose anything to those Arabs called Palestinian when there's 22 arab states? why these Arab states forcibly deported their Jews civilians that lived there for centuries upon centuries, some even up to the Babylon times?

If Palestine offered Palestinian ID and similar rights, would Israelite's accept this?

I don't talk about "IFs" anything can happen hypothetically, please don't ask me "if" questions again. And if Arabian Palestine was identically close in all its forms to Israel then yes.
Though in reality it has been said countless of times by the Palestinian leaders that their future country will be Jews free.

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

Kirjutas theFuehrer, 19.01.2017 at 13:34

It didn't bring nothing positive to you but to Israel it has.

Yes... a land in middle east that barely has any kind of richness or interest (besides religious matters, which again are human inventions), surrounded by hostile neighbours and a lifetime of conflicts. That's the kind of life I want for myself.... (irony)

WW2 was a fucking mess, idc about theories or whatever detail you're gonna bring up, the fact is that Israel now exists due to complex international events (meaning a mix of many simple incidents, begining with WW2). Now stop arguing every single detail of my words which has no point.

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

Let's say germans offered us their nationality to "fix" our debt problems. I'd probably feel like killing a couple of them around town.

Still talking about this? Israel did 1 mistake ( settlements) arabs have done 20. Israel have proposed peace and two state solution for decades, Arabs never accepted it They have waged war against Israel both officially and unoficially, they use suicide bombers and kids and females as human shields, what else is there to say? Case closed.

P.S. Dont let me hear any bullshit about historically palestianian land and shit. The land belonged to Jews, Greeks and Romans way before the muslims took it by force. The West decided to give the land the muslims stole, to Jews. Deal with it.

P.S.2 You can say whatever you want about Jews in other subjects (not defending them) but in this one they are right. And keep in mind they always took care of their own and back when war started they accepted millions of jewish refugees, even though they couldnt support them. Muslims did the opposite, they never accepted palestinians, they still have them on tents even now and they never accepted any other muslim arab immigrant and refugee as well. Somehow thats a burden for the West only.

Kirjutas RaulPB, 19.01.2017 at 14:15

Kirjutas theFuehrer, 19.01.2017 at 13:34

It didn't bring nothing positive to you but to Israel it has.

Yes... a land in middle east that barely has any kind of richness or interest (besides religious matters, which again are human inventions), surrounded by hostile neighbours and a lifetime of conflicts. That's the kind of life I want for myself.... (irony)

WW2 was a fucking mess, idc about theories or whatever detail you're gonna bring up, the fact is that Israel now exists due to complex international events (meaning a mix of many simple incidents, begining with WW2). Now stop arguing every single detail of my words which has no point.

Raul, it didn't begin with world war 2. This entire idea to create a new home for Jews was built up upon 2 thousand years of persecutions. Don't forget the Spanish inquisition, the European Pogroms, the countless murders of Jews by catholics and so on.

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 13:24

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 13:03

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 08:28

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 07:48

How does Israel propose to help those people?

Israel offered to give them Israeli ID and full rights like any citizen in the state, but they refused. Though why Israel should propose anything to those Arabs called Palestinian when there's 22 arab states? why these Arab states forcibly deported their Jews civilians that lived there for centuries upon centuries, some even up to the Babylon times?

If Palestine offered Palestinian ID and similar rights, would Israelite's accept this?

I don't talk about "IFs" anything can happen hypothetically, please don't ask me "if" questions again. And if Arabian Palestine was identically close in all its forms to Israel then yes.
Though in reality it has been said countless of times by the Palestinian leaders that their future country will be Jews free.

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

Who said there will be synchronisation between the "Palestinian government" and the Arabian people of that country? What if those Arabian Palestinian Massacre those Jews? What if parts of the Jews decide not to accept that? You see why hypothetical questions are dumb?

And this is my last post on this matter. You people are insanely anti Israel, facts doesn't sway your opinions, you're moved by hatred to Jews or sympathy with Palestinians because:
a. They either share same religion as you or
b. Share same ethnicity or
c. Want to destroy Israel
And I am tired to argue with half brains like you.
Cheers.

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 13:24

I don't talk about "IFs" anything can happen hypothetically, please don't ask me "if" questions again. And if Arabian Palestine was identically close in all its forms to Israel then yes.
Though in reality it has been said countless of times by the Palestinian leaders that their future country will be Jews free.

Then:

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 08:28

Who said there will be synchronisation between the "Palestinian government" and the Arabian people of that country? What if those Arabian Palestinian Massacre those Jews? What if parts of the Jews decide not to accept that? You see why hypothetical questions are dumb?

(The highlighted 'ifs' are my own, just to direct attention to the problem.)

See the basic problem?


It's not anti Israeli... i just applied your own solution to how to resolve the issue, but reversed Israel and Palestine. Problem solved because i know Israeli's tend to honour the ethic of reciprocity! ♥

I'll just ignore this stuff until you reflect on what you have said:

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 14:44

And this is my last post on this matter. You people are insanely anti Israel, facts doesn't sway your opinions, you're moved by hatred to Jews or sympathy with Palestinians because:
a. They either share same religion as you or
b. Share same ethnicity or
c. Want to destroy Israel
And I am tired to argue with half brains like you.
Cheers.

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 15:03

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 08:28

I don't talk about "IFs" anything can happen hypothetically, please don't ask me "if" questions again. And if Arabian Palestine was identically close in all its forms to Israel then yes.
Though in reality it has been said countless of times by the Palestinian leaders that their future country will be Jews free.

Then:

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 08:28

Who said there will be synchronisation between the "Palestinian government" and the Arabian people of that country? What if those Arabian Palestinian Massacre those Jews? What if parts of the Jews decide not to accept that? You see why hypothetical questions are dumb?

(The highlighted 'ifs' are my own, just to direct attention to the problem.)

See the basic problem?


It's not anti Israeli... i just applied your own solution to how to resolve the issue, but reversed Israel and Palestine. Problem solved because i know Israeli's tend to honour the ethic of reciprocity! ♥

I'll just ignore this stuff until you reflect on what you have said:

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 08:28

And this is my last post on this matter. You people are insanely anti Israel, facts doesn't sway your opinions, you're moved by hatred to Jews or sympathy with Palestinians because:
a. They either share same religion as you or
b. Share same ethnicity or
c. Want to destroy Israel
And I am tired to argue with half brains like you.
Cheers.

I understood what you said. I gave "ifs" questions to show you that this is impossible to assess how they will react. And the last part wasn't directed to you. You know to who it was ♡

♥

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

But Palestinians do not have a state, constitution, economy, parliament, economy and all the other things that Israel has. So how can they give ID's?

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 19.01.2017 at 15:13

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

But Palestinians do not have a state, constitution, economy, parliament, economy and all the other things that Israel has. So how can they give ID's?

They can if israel stop taking their lands and keep on killing their innocent citizen.

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 19.01.2017 at 15:13

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

But Palestinians do not have a state, constitution, economy, parliament, economy and all the other things that Israel has. So how can they give ID's?

McDonald's gives IDs. But sure, then in order to provide reciprocal offer, then give them these things also. Problem thoroughly solved now. Want to begin drafting UN resolution? ♥

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 15:33

McDonald's gives IDs. But sure, then in order to provide reciprocal offer, then give them these things also. Problem thoroughly solved now. Want to begin drafting UN resolution? ♥

Pretty sure MacDonalds is more stable than the idea of Palestine

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 15:33

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 19.01.2017 at 15:13

Kirjutas brianwl, 19.01.2017 at 14:14

K, well mid-east crisis resolved. All Israelites accept Palestinian ID as this is the reciprocal offer. ♥

But Palestinians do not have a state, constitution, economy, parliament, economy and all the other things that Israel has. So how can they give ID's?

McDonald's gives IDs. But sure, then in order to provide reciprocal offer, then give them these things also. Problem thoroughly solved now. Want to begin drafting UN resolution? ♥

Why give them? More handouts? Why should the West again be the giver i dont get it. Arabs are shit deep in oil they have a ton of money and influence, maybe instead of funding terrorist organizations they can fund a state for Palestinians. But they dont want that dont you get it? They want Israel out, they dont care about two state solution. They just want Israel out.

Kirjutas theFuehrer, 19.01.2017 at 14:54

Ok... why bother conmenting here if your words have no point? Seems illogical.

Rather inform yourself first before commenting. You don't seem to know anything about this subject and you believe everyone doesn't know either. Seems dumb. You talk about a mix of many simple incidents and complexities yet know nothing. And when someone tells you facts you say idc.... lol.

I never asked you to go into detail. That's not the conversation I'm interested in, sorry for you and good for you if you believe in jews ruling the world, not interested in discusing that either

Kirjutas Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 14:41

Raul, it didn't begin with world war 2. This entire idea to create a new home for Jews was built up upon 2 thousand years of persecutions. Don't forget the Spanish inquisition, the European Pogroms, the countless murders of Jews by catholics and so on.

I'm just trying to limit a bit the amount of history involved... anyway, I agree with that. Bla, I'm tired of too much thinking, I was happier by not arguing!

Kirjutas Guest, 20.01.2017 at 00:24

This is nearly as bad as a Balkan flame war... probably even more retarded too.

Only because you took part in it.
By the way, how it feels when you need to use alts (Karma and Bellona) to vote for Palestine to get even near Israel?

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 19.01.2017 at 16:49

Why give them? More handouts? Why should the West again be the giver i dont get it. Arabs are shit deep in oil they have a ton of money and influence, maybe instead of funding terrorist organizations they can fund a state for Palestinians. But they dont want that dont you get it? They want Israel out, they dont care about two state solution. They just want Israel out.

Maybe 'give' is the wrong word. 'Let' them organize it themselves. I just used the same word 'Netzer' used so as not to get caught up on language and semantics:

Tsiteeri:

Written by Netzer, 19.01.2017 at 08:28

Israel offered to give them Israeli ID

Kirjutas brianwl, 20.01.2017 at 07:16

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 19.01.2017 at 16:49

Why give them? More handouts? Why should the West again be the giver i dont get it. Arabs are shit deep in oil they have a ton of money and influence, maybe instead of funding terrorist organizations they can fund a state for Palestinians. But they dont want that dont you get it? They want Israel out, they dont care about two state solution. They just want Israel out.

Maybe 'give' is the wrong word. 'Let' them organize it themselves. I just used the same word 'Netzer' used so as not to get caught up on language and semantics:

Let them? Common man, i know its cool and edgy to support palestinians and muslims nowdays and its antisystemic to trash jews, but you have first to base your arguments on facts. I reply to you specifically since i value your opinion.

Palestinians have been offered a state and total control over their own affairs since 1947, then again in 1967, then in1993, in 2000, then in 2001 and then in 2008 and they always said no. Jordan (also fake country) annexed West Bank in 1950, they never granted Palestinians their own state. Why werent Palestinians then crying for independence? They had 20 years to do so but they never did. They only started talking about independence when Israel came in in 1967.

Fast forward to the latest, Palestinians have been offered state and control of their own affairs multiple times and they always rejected them with Arafat shouting for the destruction of Israel and Hamas sending rockets and suicide bombers. All the US and Israel ever asked was for Palestinians to accept the right of Israel to exist and stop supporting terrorist attacks. We are talking about 1 piece of land with 6 million jews against 20 countries with 400 million muslim arabs and still they refuse. They want Israel gone.

And you can clearly see the intentions of arabs by the 2005 events, when Jews left gaza willingly and see how that turned out. No peace, no state advocacy, instead terrorist breeding ground and thousand of rockets flying over.

tldr; I dont care about sentiments and conspiracy theories, i care about facts. And those are :

1. The territory was under British control and it decided to give Jews a state. Perfectly legal and recognized by UN. If you think rights after occupation are illegal, then why arent you against Turkey occupying Constantinople and etc?

2. Israel proposed and agreed to a seperate Palestinian state for decades. Arabs always said no.

3. Israel recognizes the right of Arab states around it. Arabs unanimously do not accept Israels right to exist anywhere in the middle East.

In the end its dissapointing that at the same time that muslim countries are making hideous and disgusting thieving land grabs, violating international laws and Un charters and commiting attrocious war crimes, like in Kosovo and Cyprus, there is a big portion of the edgy, rebellious, liberal Westerners that advocate for Palestinians, when at the same time ignore the former. Its hypocrital and i dont get it. The same thing with illegal immigrants, we protect them and help them in the West or we are racist, try to be a christian illegal immigrant in a Middle East country, she how that works for you. Try to be an atheist or christian refugee in a Middle East country. Sorry i meant tourist or citizen since ME countries do not accept refugees. But isnt that racist? No, only Westerners can be racist and bigots. What a double standard.

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 20.01.2017 at 09:37

1. The territory was under British control and it decided to give Jews a state. Perfectly legal and recognized by UN. If you think rights after occupation are illegal, then why arent you against Turkey occupying Constantinople and etc?

Why didn't UK offer them their own homeland to start a new country, a place where they'd obviously be welcomed and allow them to organize their own country inside their borders, thus protecting them from any menace? We would have saved ourselves so many problems...

Kirjutas RaulPB, 20.01.2017 at 10:25

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 20.01.2017 at 09:37

1. The territory was under British control and it decided to give Jews a state. Perfectly legal and recognized by UN. If you think rights after occupation are illegal, then why arent you against Turkey occupying Constantinople and etc?

Why didn't UK offer them their own homeland to start a new country, a place where they'd obviously be welcomed and allow them to organize their own country inside their borders, thus protecting them from any menace? We would have saved ourselves so many problems...

Why should she? Are you implying that every piece of land aquired through war and imperialism should be given back? If so, keep in mind colonialist European countries like Uk, Spain, France, Portugal etc gave back most of their colonies and land aquisitions. You know who didnt? Arabs and Turks, they still control almost all the Middle East, North Africa and Anatolia, all of those lands aquired by war.

Muslim empire started from Arabia and Turks started from nothing. But you mean to say that Uk has to give everything back but Arabs and Turks not? Why the double standard? Why racism against whites?

Kirjutas RaulPB, 20.01.2017 at 10:25

Why didn't UK offer them their own homeland to start a new country, a place where they'd obviously be welcomed and allow them to organize their own country inside their borders, thus protecting them from any menace? We would have saved ourselves so many problems...

Maybe because that's where the jews have lived for thousands of years

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 20.01.2017 at 09:37

Kirjutas brianwl, 20.01.2017 at 07:16

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 19.01.2017 at 16:49

Why give them? More handouts? Why should the West again be the giver i dont get it. Arabs are shit deep in oil they have a ton of money and influence, maybe instead of funding terrorist organizations they can fund a state for Palestinians. But they dont want that dont you get it? They want Israel out, they dont care about two state solution. They just want Israel out.

Maybe 'give' is the wrong word. 'Let' them organize it themselves. I just used the same word 'Netzer' used so as not to get caught up on language and semantics:

Let them? Common man, i know its cool and edgy to support palestinians and muslims nowdays and its antisystemic to trash jews, but you have first to base your arguments on facts. I reply to you specifically since i value your opinion.

Palestinians have been offered a state and total control over their own affairs since 1947, then again in 1967, then in1993, in 2000, then in 2001 and then in 2008 and they always said no. Jordan (also fake country) annexed West Bank in 1950, they never granted Palestinians their own state. Why werent Palestinians then crying for independence? They had 20 years to do so but they never did. They only started talking about independence when Israel came in in 1967.

Fast forward to the latest, Palestinians have been offered state and control of their own affairs multiple times and they always rejected them with Arafat shouting for the destruction of Israel and Hamas sending rockets and suicide bombers. All the US and Israel ever asked was for Palestinians to accept the right of Israel to exist and stop supporting terrorist attacks. We are talking about 1 piece of land with 6 million jews against 20 countries with 400 million muslim arabs and still they refuse. They want Israel gone.

And you can clearly see the intentions of arabs by the 2005 events, when Jews left gaza willingly and see how that turned out. No peace, no state advocacy, instead terrorist breeding ground and thousand of rockets flying over.

tldr; I dont care about sentiments and conspiracy theories, i care about facts. And those are :

1. The territory was under British control and it decided to give Jews a state. Perfectly legal and recognized by UN. If you think rights after occupation are illegal, then why arent you against Turkey occupying Constantinople and etc?

2. Israel proposed and agreed to a seperate Palestinian state for decades. Arabs always said no.

3. Israel recognizes the right of Arab states around it. Arabs unanimously do not accept Israels right to exist anywhere in the middle East.

In the end its dissapointing that at the same time that muslim countries are making hideous and disgusting thieving land grabs, violating international laws and Un charters and commiting attrocious war crimes, like in Kosovo and Cyprus, there is a big portion of the edgy, rebellious, liberal Westerners that advocate for Palestinians, when at the same time ignore the former. Its hypocrital and i dont get it. The same thing with illegal immigrants, we protect them and help them in the West or we are racist, try to be a christian illegal immigrant in a Middle East country, she how that works for you. Try to be an atheist or christian refugee in a Middle East country. Sorry i meant tourist or citizen since ME countries do not accept refugees. But isnt that racist? No, only Westerners can be racist and bigots. What a double standard.

I don't think it's 'racist' or 'hypocritical' to advocate for any people to have a 'homeland' or state of their own. I generally agree that most North Americans are poorly informed, and most of the information that trickles through is from a media that is heavily influenced. It's why i like forums like this, because it's not coming from a commercial media source, so already it has some credibility.

But you assume that i support Palestine because it's "cool and edgy to support palestinians and muslims" (<== your words). However, that's not what i support. Of the 7.5 billion people in the world, nearly all have a nation they can call home. Palestinians are among the few exceptions. And from what we are told here in North America, they are seeking recognition. They are now recognized as a non-member observer state by the UN, which tells me, they do in fact wish to be recognized as a state.

It has nothing to do with race or religion... it is nothing more than letting a people have a state to call their own. If they want to drive their own state into the ground, fine, so be it. But to deny them something the other 7.5 billion people have seems, in my experience, to be exclusionary. ♥

Kirjutas Guest, 20.01.2017 at 23:17

Kirjutas theFuehrer, 20.01.2017 at 14:23

It's shocking no one has mentions AshkeNAZI 'jews' are Eastern European. They are not descendants of Abraham like they love to claims. They are Gentiles.

i did state that they probably have no real relation to ancient israeli's.... their most famous president was from poland lol.

You even used another alt (iTzVisionz) to vote for Palestine. You're very invested in this thread for someone that lives faraway in New Zealand. Why you don't use this energy perhaps to help the poor people worldwide or perhaps only in New Zealand instead? you claim you're interested and obliged to help those in need, yet ignore the needy people that are close to you in your country. These poor people will appreciate it much more if you cared for them as much as you care for the fake Arab nationals called Palestinians, who would most likely kill you if they find out you're unfaithful Muslim, first chance they get for breaking various sharia laws.
But why would you do that? You're another Muslim who's following agenda driven by your religious affiliation, with big dose of propaganda and hatred to Jews and Israel, that use this phrase to divert others, since you know very well that the real reasons why you support those people aren't good to justify any support. Or I overestimated you and you just want to feel like you're part of a popular circle, or edgy to support them like Khal Tok said.
Cheers.

Kirjutas brianwl, 20.01.2017 at 12:39

I don't think it's 'racist' or 'hypocritical' to advocate for any people to have a 'homeland' or state of their own. I generally agree that most North Americans are poorly informed, and most of the information that trickles through is from a media that is heavily influenced. It's why i like forums like this, because it's not coming from a commercial media source, so already it has some credibility.

But you assume that i support Palestine because it's "cool and edgy to support palestinians and muslims" (<== your words). However, that's not what i support. Of the 7.5 billion people in the world, nearly all have a nation they can call home. Palestinians are among the few exceptions. And from what we are told here in North America, they are seeking recognition. They are now recognized as a non-member observer state by the UN, which tells me, they do in fact wish to be recognized as a state.

It has nothing to do with race or religion... it is nothing more than letting a people have a state to call their own. If they want to drive their own state into the ground, fine, so be it. But to deny them something the other 7.5 billion people have seems, in my experience, to be exclusionary. ♥

Sorry if i came out agressive, not everything i said was directed towards you, you were just the one i quoted

Anyway, we all want people to have a home, Kurds should get a home too, but they are getting ethnically cleansed by Turkey for as long as they exist, hey Kurds lifes matters too.

But the thing is, Palestinian supporters have no arguments and that is what bothers me. My best buddy was Palestinian and now we just grab a beer every once in a while, cause i cant stand him. For a supposedly moderate and modern Palestinian like him, he is quite the extremist. He praises Hamas and Hejbolah and his hatred for jews is ridiculous. Not only jews but the whole West and they never critisize their own like we do everyday, its all the West's fault for them. You have to talk to these people or see videos of their leaders talk, to realise that the brainwashing is so extreme that the situation will never be resolved peacefully, as they all want Israel destroyed, they wont compromise for anything less.

Anyway i have no dogs on this race, i would just love it if any of you Palestinian supporters answer some simple questions, like why Palestinians always declined the peace offers and two state solution and how can you "seek recognition" and to "let you build a state" when you officially announce that you will fight for Israel destruction until the end of times.

I dont want to be right, i just want the truth out there and i believe the truth is we are being tricked into believing Palestians are the victims when they are the aggressors. Just as we got tricked by the poor, peacefull refugees, which in reality were opportunistic immigrants with no desire to assimilate to European culture. Denmark or Norway, not sure, just sent back a 1000 of those "refugees" and its crime rate went down 30%. I dont think its racist to want to live without fearing for your life. People are slowly picking up. Western people have rights too, Israeli people have rights too, its not everything about the muslims.

P.S. Also the West has given about 20 billion in aid these last years alone (i believe 7 years) to Palestine and its people, where did the money go? Yes Hamas and rockets, why no hospitals, no schools, no roads, no infastructure, no food production? Give me 5 billion and i ll build you an efficient state and government tommorow. Why they didnt do anything with the money? Our money, not Arab money btw.

♥

Kirjutas Guest, 20.01.2017 at 00:24

This is nearly as bad as a Balkan flame war... probably even more retarded too.

You thought only balkan can start flame war? Boy how wrong you was; Pakistan-India flame war, Palestine-Israel, China-Japan, Mexico-America, Argentina-Brazil, Saudi Arabia-Iran.

You are so sweet if you thought only balkan is on fire while other countries hold hands together and sing kumbaya.

Kirjutas Netzer, 14.01.2017 at 13:22

Jews were the indigenous people of that region you see ? The name was also chosen deliberately because it sounded similar to a name of a Biblical nation called Philistines who were the historical enemies of the Jewish people and who resided in that region when it was still called Canaan.

Didn't Jews arrive from Egyptian slavery and settled? And also Abraham was from modern South Iraq, so how that's indigenous to the land of Canaan?

Also, aren't Palestinians descendants of the Philistines as they live exactly on the same land, just like modern Egyptians are descendants from Ancient Egypt and Libyans/Algerians are descendants of Hanibal soldiers? If Arabs mixed with them, they still retain 50% original blood and ancestry, so that would make Palestinians 50% Arab, but 50% Philistines.

Kirjutas theFuehrer, 19.01.2017 at 13:34

It didn't bring nothing positive to you but to Israel it has. It's just a perspective thing. It's not as complex as you make it out to be. Quite simple actually. Israel faked WWII. Soon after they were givin the "promise land" which God has promised to his chosen people. However, they twisted up the Word of God and convinced lots of people that they actually are the chosen ones but really they are Eastern Europeans, so most people sympathized and felt bad for 'jews' since they were being 'executed' by the Germans. You need to remember the victor writes history. If you look at the other side you see Jews actually declared war on Germany and there's plenty of evidence of hoax holocaust. Up to you to research yourself. History books at your school is written by Jews so what you think they will write in them?

So many misinformations here...

1) Jews are not Chosen People because God chose them to survive or chose to lead or chose to oppress anyone. Bible/Tanakh clearly states that Chosen People are people God chose to give them laws so they can live by them and show the pagan world proper ways to live. Nothing more. If Jews discard those laws, God can easily replace them with other people, like Armenians, Greeks, Russians, Serbians or Copts. All these nations suffered greatly under foreign oppression and still retained identity, language, religion and tradition (laws).
When Jesus was born, he said all old laws are canceled and only one remains - love, so we don't have to circumcize ourselves anymore, or celebrate any day, but we can if we want, and all christian nations still celebrate some days, so these words of Jesus Christ is proof that not only Jews can be Chosen, but any other nation if they follow God's law(s). So saying 'they are not chosen but eastern europeans' doesn't make sense as you don't have to be jew or live in Jerusalem to be chosen.

2) Jews couldn't declare war on Germany as they didn't had a state in that time, Israel was created in 1948 while WW2 ended in 1945. So that's a lie

3) If some people deny holocaust, that mean they deny all deaths perpetrated by the Germans and their allies Italy and Croatia; 7 million Jews, 5 million Poles, 1 million Serbians and 26 million Soviets. You can't cherry pick facts and rumors as it suits you while ignoring related facts and rumors.

4) Also how can Jews be fake jews? Are Egyptians fake Egyptians because they are muslims and not polytheists like in Pharaoh times? Are Greeks and Italians fake because they don't believe in Mars and Zeus? Are Armenians fake because Turks and Persians raped them for 2000 years and they became brown? Are Bulgarians fake because they are mixed with Slavs and raped by the Turks so half of their population is brown?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 21.01.2017 at 09:22

Kirjutas Netzer, 14.01.2017 at 13:22

Jews were the indigenous people of that region you see ? The name was also chosen deliberately because it sounded similar to a name of a Biblical nation called Philistines who were the historical enemies of the Jewish people and who resided in that region when it was still called Canaan.

Also, aren't Palestinians descendants of the Philistines as they live exactly on the same land, just like modern Egyptians are descendants from Ancient Egypt and Libyans/Algerians are descendants of Hanibal soldiers? If Arabs mixed with them, they still retain 50% original blood and ancestry, so that would make Palestinians 50% Arab, but 50% Philistines.

The original people of the land the Canaanites intermarried with the Hebrews who came after and by the time the Assyrians conquered them, they were already assimilated. Since the Canaanites no longer exist, the next on the line are the Israelites.

The Philistines were certainly not Arabs, they came from the Mediterranean, "sea people" and invaded the lands. The Philistia as translated from greek was the coastal region and different from the greek Palestine.

The truth is not even Lebanon was trully arab, thats why the country is run more like a secular-democracy than a theocracy as the rest, its called "lebabon republic" and the population reject the term "arab state". If muslim arabs want to claim the land, they have to get in line cause Assyrians, Babylonians, Seleucids, Romans and Byzantines beat them to it. The land of Canaan and its surroundings were Arabized in the Islamic conquests, the land of Israel is mentioned tons of times in the bible, never in the Quran. Modern day Palestinians are just muslim arabs from around, they never claimed a state historically even if they conquered the area for more than a millenia and only adopted this "Palestinian identity" in modern history, after the six days war, when Israel beat them.