3rd Afterwind 1v1 Tournament Spring/Summer [*]

Yoba, yes i will match up according ranks. The players with the higher ranks get first seets in a random order. After that i will place the other players in the brackets, also random. This will prevent that TopHats meets Pera in the first round.

Ok seriously there is major flaw in this tournament, we in byzantia have played a good quantity of 1vs1 with this settings, Results? Ukraine is the strongest country by far and can't or is really hard to counter.

Why?
1.Ukraine is the only 10k country that can afford a decent second country and start with a decent amout of money
2.Ukraine was already with the traditionall setting a beast hard to defeat
3. The traditional counter to Ukraine was western europe or turkey depending of ukraien strategy, Now western europe is in deep shit if ukraine pick austria and get germany first turn. And Turkey is in bad position if ukraine pick greece or serbia first turn.
4.This place Ukraine in a position where it is not countered and almost impossible to beat.
5. Maybe that a combo of 2 5k countries could succeed but after trying a lot of combo with Austria/Sweden/greece/poland/belarus/serbia none are really working and cant be considered as a direct counter
6. This tournament was here to add much more flexibility and to bring something new..... This won't happen we will have a tournament where the player that pick Ukraine will have more than 50% chance of winning each game­....
7.We need to find a solution to this problem and personnaly i suggest that UK/France/Spain/Italy/Ukraine/Turkey can't pick a second country.(The list can be chanegd if you want)
8.By doing this every 10k countries will still be playable, Ukraine won't be OP and it will be possible to play a mix of to 5k countries(Except Ukraine that can be considered as a 5k or a 10k country)
9.I hope that some players will support this idea..... it's in my opinion the best way to fix the ukrainian problem. Starting a tournament when one country have the upperhand and is sure to win more than 50% of his game against everything is the worst thing.

Thanks, If you don't agree with me Hugosch, will you agree if a good quantity of players that are in the tournament sign a petition?

Thomas, we can always make a scenario in which Ukraine is turned off.

@ThomasMer; I will try to play a few games against a few opponents that take Ukraine, maybe against you? If you are right, and Ukraine is really OP, then the rules are open for discussion.

I don't mind Ukraine being op DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Kirjutas Cardinal Ouellet, 02.04.2012 at 10:12

Ok seriously there is major flaw in this tournament, we in byzantia have played a good quantity of 1vs1 with this settings, Results? Ukraine is the strongest country by far and can't or is really hard to counter.

Why?
1.Ukraine is the only 10k country that can afford a decent second country and start with a decent amout of money
2.Ukraine was already with the traditionall setting a beast hard to defeat
3. The traditional counter to Ukraine was western europe or turkey depending of ukraien strategy, Now western europe is in deep shit if ukraine pick austria and get germany first turn. And Turkey is in bad position if ukraine pick greece or serbia first turn.
4.This place Ukraine in a position where it is not countered and almost impossible to beat.
5. Maybe that a combo of 2 5k countries could succeed but after trying a lot of combo with Austria/Sweden/greece/poland/belarus/serbia none are really working and cant be considered as a direct counter
6. This tournament was here to add much more flexibility and to bring something new..... This won't happen we will have a tournament where the player that pick Ukraine will have more than 50% chance of winning each game­....
7.We need to find a solution to this problem and personnaly i suggest that UK/France/Spain/Italy/Ukraine/Turkey can't pick a second country.(The list can be chanegd if you want)
8.By doing this every 10k countries will still be playable, Ukraine won't be OP and it will be possible to play a mix of to 5k countries(Except Ukraine that can be considered as a 5k or a 10k country)
9.I hope that some players will support this idea..... it's in my opinion the best way to fix the ukrainian problem. Starting a tournament when one country have the upperhand and is sure to win more than 50% of his game against everything is the worst thing.

Thanks, If you don't agree with me Hugosch, will you agree if a good quantity of players that are in the tournament sign a petition?

What about going Romania and Belarus as your two countries, to counter Ukraine?

Why is it that the only people who complain about countries/strats being OP is Byzantia?

Ok Nateballer i always respected you but thsi is to much....

First, Tophats complaiend abotu ukraine too
Second, I'm not complaining about 2 countries... i'm complainign about ukraine+ an other country
Third, Byzantia have the majority of the active decent 1vs1 player in teh coalition... it's normal that there is more complain in this coalition then from any other coalition
Four, yesterday you should have lost a game against GW Ukraine... You won cause you avoided turnblock and the ukraine player forgot to cap you...... You shoudl have lose... If you one of the best GW players lose against A player who almost never play GW there is a problem with Ukraine!
Five, Not all the Byzantia players agree on the fact about Ukraine being op

I agree Ukraine must not be a start position. Its low price is OP.

Ukraine is not OP!

Kirjutas bargain, 02.04.2012 at 15:16

Ukraine is not OP!

considering its low price and the fact u choose 2 countries it kinda is.

In

Kirjutas NateBaller, 02.04.2012 at 12:23

Why is it that the only people who complain about countries/strats being OP is Byzantia?

Kirjutas Cardinal Ouellet, 02.04.2012 at 12:34

Ok Nateballer i always respected you but thsi is to much....

First, Tophats complaiend abotu ukraine too
Second, I'm not complaining about 2 countries... i'm complainign about ukraine+ an other country
Third, Byzantia have the majority of the active decent 1vs1 player in teh coalition... it's normal that there is more complain in this coalition then from any other coalition
Four, yesterday you should have lost a game against GW Ukraine... You won cause you avoided turnblock and the ukraine player forgot to cap you...... You shoudl have lose... If you one of the best GW players lose against A player who almost never play GW there is a problem with Ukraine!
Five, Not all the Byzantia players agree on the fact about Ukraine being op

That's nice... By the way, the face usually indicates that the previous statement was a joke. It is very easy to misinterpret things over the internet, so don't feel too bad.

He was SM, not GW, and we were merely testing a possible counter to Ukraine. I fail to see how this proves Ukraine is OP.

Ill join

This sounds cool, I gotta try it. Even though I dont stand a chance

I'm so in!

I was wondering how players are going to be seeded? Purely by SP or could it be a system where positions in the last tourneys are included and new comers are sorted by SP?

The total amount of players will be split in 2 groups, totally based on SP. The first group get first picks in the seedings in a random order. After that the second group wil pick the remaining seats, also in random order.

I'm not able to include last tourney. Simply because many players have changed their name over time.

People complaining about Ukraine being OP, What about germany

Kirjutas pentation, 04.04.2012 at 07:18

People complaining about Ukraine being OP, What about germany

Germany is far more expensive than Ukraine is.

By the way people, you don't have to pick 2 countries. You can always click "ready" and only have the one. After all, you only have one capital even if you pick more than one country.

Sign me up.


Please clarify: - It is not allowed to move your units into enemy territory within the first turn
What exactly counts as inside enemy country? Touching the border or half way over the border?

To balance Ukraine you could set 15k starting funds if this will really be needed.

Kirjutas VRIL, 04.04.2012 at 08:47

Sign me up.


Please clarify: - It is not allowed to move your units into enemy territory within the first turn
What exactly counts as inside enemy country? Touching the border or half way over the border?

To balance Ukraine you could set 15k starting funds if this will really be needed.

Obviously the no first-turn turnblock thing.

But continuing the anti-wallfucking discussion, I think Hugosch also doesn't want you to wall countries. Of course you can touch the border, just don't wall all of the enemy's cities first turn. I've actually seen this done, though it's a lot harder nowadays because you can't create defence lines when enemy units are nearby.

Kirjutas VRIL, 04.04.2012 at 08:47

Please clarify: - It is not allowed to move your units into enemy territory within the first turn
What exactly counts as inside enemy country? Touching the border or half way over the border?

This is a simplification of a normal rule to prevent:
- Turnblocking enemy cities in first turn
- Wallfucking on enemy cities in first turn

These are the rules witch players normally play with. If you keep this in mind, then all should be fine. If there is a units close to a border or even on the border itself, but doesn't ruin a wall: I don't see any problem. Also: Moving your troops through enemy territory is allowed offcource, just make sure they are not in the territory when the second turn starts.

Maybe you should look into increasing it to 15K... That makes more sense.

I support the idea of 15k. It is an other solution to the problem about ukraine. And well if you want to put 2 countries it will be great if you can play western europe with 2 countries

I also agree that 15k is worth investigating, seems like a lot more combinations.

If both players want to change to 15k its ok, the rules allow this...

Hey, I said it first a long time ago! I always thought 15k was a good idea and posted about it, but the same people shot me down because apparently "it makes cheap strategies useless". Go figure.

You have 2 freakin' countries. I recall I compared it to playing 10k with one country. If it's Europe, you will probably go bankrupt unless you play a cheap strategy. Go figure.

It doesn't make Ukraine any less op. It's still cheap and has massive reinforcements. But hey, why not have Ukraine+Turkey with 60 starting reinforcements?

So, what is the solution then? Rule that if you pick Ukraine you don't have right to pick 2nd country or just leave it?