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Postitatud Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

16.09.2016 - 12:25
Kirjutas Tundy, 16.09.2016 at 12:21

Aetius forced my hand when he ended the turn too early. While politics were of no more use due to cuckservatives. Ironically I am the only person that can save the republic from destroying itself.

You have declared the entire Senate traitors. You have no supporters. This isnt a liberation from you. It's a power grab. Period. You aren't saving the Republic by killing all of its publicly elected representatives. You're destroying it and setting up your own empire.
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16.09.2016 - 12:25
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 12:24

Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:19

I suggest you all spam max legions, get a dictator that knows what he's doing and pick 3 fronts to fight.

I suggest 6 veterans and strong commander vs tunder

11 normal and strong commander v numidians.

Dictator and rest vs a Gaul target

We need to defend Provinces too to prevent him getting more income and territories. That obviously hasn't factored in your master plan.
I say ignore the Germans for now.
Take the Bequeath and gain 50 talents.
Stalemate or defeat the Africans, crush Tunder, and abandon Spain for now. Pull out our troops, crush Tunder, and then fall in one massive hammerblow on Spain.


If you rush him he wont be able to do shit.

You don't think shit through do you?

Edit: Don't speak to me pleb
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16.09.2016 - 12:28
Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:25

Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 12:24

Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:19

I suggest you all spam max legions, get a dictator that knows what he's doing and pick 3 fronts to fight.

I suggest 6 veterans and strong commander vs tunder

11 normal and strong commander v numidians.

Dictator and rest vs a Gaul target

We need to defend Provinces too to prevent him getting more income and territories. That obviously hasn't factored in your master plan.
I say ignore the Germans for now.
Take the Bequeath and gain 50 talents.
Stalemate or defeat the Africans, crush Tunder, and abandon Spain for now. Pull out our troops, crush Tunder, and then fall in one massive hammerblow on Spain.


If you rush him he wont be able to do shit.

You don't think shit through do you?

You narb
He can still abandon and flee Sicily with his forces and turn another province (say: Gaul) into his capital. You do realize for the first time we are facing an enemy that can attack us back on our homeland and seize and occupy provinces instead of just liberate or raid them?
We need to crush his Navy first like he needs to crush ours.
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16.09.2016 - 12:28
 Witch-Doctor (Moderaator)
Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:11

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 16.09.2016 at 12:04

Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:00

Kirjutas Aetius, 16.09.2016 at 01:42

Donating 25 talents to rome
roll for quite

Guys, with tunder's little attentionwhoring stunt rome is near collapse. Everyone must commit heavily to treasury.


This is why you shouldn't disband veteran legions and should instead put them to good use every turn...


Veteran legions makes it easier to revolt.


You mean like tunder has?

If people are going to revolt they will do it any way they can.

Having 25 veteren legions gives 50 strengh.. So long as they are spread between players, it would be more than sufficient to destroy all your fronts right now.

Only 1 player can revolt at a time so lets say Zeph revolted... All the other veteran legions would fucking annihilate him... Veteran legions make Rome stronger, end of.


Why take the risk at all, might as well replace all of them with normal legions.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
16.09.2016 - 12:29
BTW Phoenix you rage quit the game. Fuck off and stop interfering.
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16.09.2016 - 12:30
Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 16.09.2016 at 12:28


Why take the risk at all, might as well replace all of them with normal legions.

It's impractical in mid and late Republic though. Costs 10 Talents to retire them.
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16.09.2016 - 12:37
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 12:28

Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:25

Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 12:24

Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:19

I suggest you all spam max legions, get a dictator that knows what he's doing and pick 3 fronts to fight.

I suggest 6 veterans and strong commander vs tunder

11 normal and strong commander v numidians.

Dictator and rest vs a Gaul target

We need to defend Provinces too to prevent him getting more income and territories. That obviously hasn't factored in your master plan.
I say ignore the Germans for now.
Take the Bequeath and gain 50 talents.
Stalemate or defeat the Africans, crush Tunder, and abandon Spain for now. Pull out our troops, crush Tunder, and then fall in one massive hammerblow on Spain.


If you rush him he wont be able to do shit.

You don't think shit through do you?

You narb
He can still abandon and flee Sicily with his forces and turn another province (say: Gaul) into his capital. You do realize for the first time we are facing an enemy that can attack us back on our homeland and seize and occupy provinces instead of just liberate or raid them?
We need to crush his Navy first like he needs to crush ours.


YOU CAN CRUSH HIS NAVY AND HIS LEGIONS ON THE SAME FUCKING TURN
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16.09.2016 - 12:38
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 12:29

BTW Phoenix you rage quit the game. Fuck off and stop interfering.


I died twice and was assassinated there was no point in playing. Thats not a rage quit, thats a forfeit.
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16.09.2016 - 12:42
Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 16.09.2016 at 12:28

Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:11

Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 16.09.2016 at 12:04

Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 12:00

Kirjutas Aetius, 16.09.2016 at 01:42

Donating 25 talents to rome
roll for quite

Guys, with tunder's little attentionwhoring stunt rome is near collapse. Everyone must commit heavily to treasury.


This is why you shouldn't disband veteran legions and should instead put them to good use every turn...


Veteran legions makes it easier to revolt.


You mean like tunder has?

If people are going to revolt they will do it any way they can.

Having 25 veteren legions gives 50 strengh.. So long as they are spread between players, it would be more than sufficient to destroy all your fronts right now.

Only 1 player can revolt at a time so lets say Zeph revolted... All the other veteran legions would fucking annihilate him... Veteran legions make Rome stronger, end of.


Why take the risk at all, might as well replace all of them with normal legions.


Its more expensive to disband them than to keep them and use them, with max veteran legions Rome can deal twice the damage...which you cant deny you need right now because you're all about to lose... by retiring them you take far more of a risk because you make yourselves weaker and therefore less likely to win wars... to defeat spain you actually need a weak roll of say 8 ( like i rolled how funny) and have an army of veterans to make up the difference bringing the final battles stat up to 15.

Instead of retiring them you could even send guys to fight with say 5 of them vs an army of 10... then when you roll a 13,14,15, you win but lose legions.
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16.09.2016 - 12:48
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 12:02

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 16.09.2016 at 11:59

Wtf is that shit in Sicily

Also nice Aetius bias on Germans

Auxiliary forces.

What bias?

>Germans have more troops than Hannibal
>Germans have op disaster rolls for no reason
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16.09.2016 - 12:48
Kirjutas Aetius, 16.09.2016 at 12:15

Kirjutas Tundy, 16.09.2016 at 12:09

I would never invite an untrusworthy snitch to join a well planned coup de'tat

In fact, very impulsive and poorly planned. Also when the hell will people stop talking about the disbanding of zephs legions, that is ancient history.

EDIT: The list is cool though


Its not just Zephs legions, its the principle of looking after them so you can give opposing forces the D one time and they die as opposed to putting the tip in and leaving them asking for more... which is why you have 5 needy bitches begging for attention
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16.09.2016 - 12:49
> quits game
> won't stop being an ass with a need for control and attention, telling people how to play and refusing to accept anyone else's viewpoint, always convinced he's right

Three guesses as to whom I'm talking about, and the first two don't count.
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16.09.2016 - 12:50
Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 16.09.2016 at 12:48

Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 12:02

Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 16.09.2016 at 11:59

Wtf is that shit in Sicily

Also nice Aetius bias on Germans

Auxiliary forces.

What bias?

>Germans have more troops than Hannibal
>Germans have op disaster rolls for no reason


The Spanish have a lot more disaster rolls though.
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16.09.2016 - 12:53
Kirjutas Aetius, 16.09.2016 at 12:15

Kirjutas Tundy, 16.09.2016 at 12:09

I would never invite an untrusworthy snitch to join a well planned coup de'tat

In fact, very impulsive and poorly planned. Also when the hell will people stop talking about the disbanding of zephs legions, that is ancient history.

EDIT: The list is cool though

>Ancient
>like 3 turns ago
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16.09.2016 - 12:57
Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 16.09.2016 at 12:53

Kirjutas Aetius, 16.09.2016 at 12:15

Kirjutas Tundy, 16.09.2016 at 12:09

I would never invite an untrusworthy snitch to join a well planned coup de'tat

In fact, very impulsive and poorly planned. Also when the hell will people stop talking about the disbanding of zephs legions, that is ancient history.

EDIT: The list is cool though

>Ancient
>like 3 turns ago


Also Darth wants to make a point about defending against Tunder... but Spain doubled in strengh because it was left to romp around the peninsula.... and there was me with 2 veterans and an auxilliary ...dying.... while your 3 were chilling in Rome waiting for a pension courtesy of Aetius
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16.09.2016 - 13:09
Blame the Senate that decided to send you there with inadequate forces instead of a single person you whiny attention-whore. I was Governing at the time, Zephyrusu had no say in whether he got to come to your aid, and recall that Potestatem voted Nay to disband first. Next turn, they gave the same proposal and passed it...
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16.09.2016 - 13:31
I use my blackmail card on Phoenixking for an equite and to reveal who assassinated Pyrrhus
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16.09.2016 - 13:33
If Rome fails to destroy at least 1 enemy they are done for, but if they go full on me their other enemies will get stronger and will increase unrest by about 4
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
16.09.2016 - 13:33
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:31

I use my blackmail card on Phoenixking for an equite and to reveal who assassinated Pyrrhus

Wait, is that how it works?
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
16.09.2016 - 13:34
Phoenixking may choose to accept or decline, if he declines he will lose influence and popularity equal to a dice roll
Laadimine...
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16.09.2016 - 13:35
Kirjutas Tundy, 16.09.2016 at 13:33

If Rome fails to destroy at least 1 enemy they are done for, but if they go full on me their other enemies will get stronger and will increase unrest by about 4

Germans can be ignored for now. We just have to stalemate the Africans and can pull out of Spain completely. Meanwhile landbills and games to reduce unrest.
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16.09.2016 - 13:35
Kirjutas Google, 16.09.2016 at 13:33

Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:31

I use my blackmail card on Phoenixking for an equite and to reveal who assassinated Pyrrhus

Wait, is that how it works?

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16.09.2016 - 13:41
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:09

Blame the Senate that decided to send you there with inadequate forces instead of a single person you whiny attention-whore. I was Governing at the time, Zephyrusu had no say in whether he got to come to your aid, and recall that Potestatem voted Nay to disband first. Next turn, they gave the same proposal and passed it...


1.They didn't send me there, I used a tribune to go.
2. This happened twice, the first, Aetius forced his faction to disband Zephs legions for not joining his faction. The second time I was sent after I died and would have received Zephs legions if they weren't disbanded.. again because Aetius wanted to make a point to Zeph. Its not about Zephs legions though its about maximising Romes strengh in combat which you're all significantly lacking right now. If Spain was dealt with as I intended then you would have 4 fronts right now instead of 5 and a stronger army to deal with the fronts you have. Its not Rocket Science.
3. I already pointed out that potestatem isn't organised. Stop trying to use my own point against me.
4. Stop talking about stuff you know so little about altogether.
5. You can't strategies for shit, stop pretending.
6. Stop talking altogether and I'll do the same.
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16.09.2016 - 13:44
FFS Phoenix just won't leave me alone...
That cunt loves the sound of his own voice
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16.09.2016 - 13:44
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:35

Kirjutas Tundy, 16.09.2016 at 13:33

If Rome fails to destroy at least 1 enemy they are done for, but if they go full on me their other enemies will get stronger and will increase unrest by about 4

Germans can be ignored for now. We just have to stalemate the Africans and can pull out of Spain completely. Meanwhile landbills and games to reduce unrest.


You need to remove 2 fronts... if you have 4 at turn end you lose.

so target the weakest fronts in force- Africa, Tunder and 1 Gaul....

Are you simple?
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16.09.2016 - 13:44
Oh Fuck off. You'd ignored me. Go back to ignoring me

Edit: I proposed the same thing, except targeting Spain not Germany since Spain has 14 strength, Germany has 20 strength. Germany isn't weaker you fucktard

Edit 2: There is no Gaul against us. With Tunder we have 4 active wars not 5. Pirates aren't an active war. Unlike you, I don't pretend to be the be-all, end-all of military strategy and actually listen to suggestions from people I know are better at it than me. Pyrrhus, Death1816, and Phoenixking come to mind.
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16.09.2016 - 13:46
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:44

FFS Phoenix just won't leave me alone...
That cunt loves the sound of his own voice


Fuck off child, you have nothing of value to contribute.
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16.09.2016 - 13:47
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:44

Oh Fuck off. You'd ignored me. Go back to ignoring me

Edit: I proposed the same thing, except targeting Spain not Germany since Spain has 14 strength, Germany has 20 strength. Germany isn't weaker you fucktard


Its Germany and France .... 10 a piece.... noob

Edit: you only need to fight one
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16.09.2016 - 13:49
Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:31

I use my blackmail card on Phoenixking for an equite and to reveal who assassinated Pyrrhus

I can't fine in the rules where u can extort information, please show... I can only find the equite part.
Laadimine...
Laadimine...
16.09.2016 - 13:49
Kirjutas Phoenix, 16.09.2016 at 13:47

Kirjutas Darth., 16.09.2016 at 13:44

Oh Fuck off. You'd ignored me. Go back to ignoring me

Edit: I proposed the same thing, except targeting Spain not Germany since Spain has 14 strength, Germany has 20 strength. Germany isn't weaker you fucktard


Its Germany and France .... 10 a piece.... noob

It's called the Germannic migrations. France isn't invaded yet. Germany has 10 strength a piece = 20 strength versus Spain. Either way, Germany is stronger so your suggestion to attack it is stupid
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