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Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:31

0. Now you're bowing to ad hominem attacks? "Full of shit acquaintances"?
Look: I'm not saying you don't have a right to your beliefs, I am saying that your claims and arguments are not logically sound.
1. Claims of 'god given' are as rationally valid as 'self evident'.

Hahaha. Just for the lulz. I find it amusing when people are bothered by inoffensive truths. But really? god-given stuff is rationally valid? As in, god-given rights? god gave you these rights you have right now? Did he sit on a cloud and write the bill of rights? Well in that case, I am sure you can expain why he gave people in different countries different numbers of rights. Or no rights at all, in others
Anyone who claims that god gave him anything, whether it's rights, a new car, or luck, is delusional or full of shit.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:31

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Admirable. But false. We are not created equal, there is no "creator" giving you stuff and looking out for you, and you have no rights. Rights are not rights if someone can take them away. They are privileges.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:31

Possession of Irrational Beliefs does not make one irrational in all domains of human knowledge. Plenty of people who believe in human freedom can solve equations, some people who believe in Heaven can write program code.

True. I was one of them myself. Perhaps ignorance is a word that fits them better.

Kirjutas Goblin, 28.03.2014 at 16:39

Actually some scientists and mathematicans have proven by some formulas the existence of God or rather the necessity of God's existence ...read it some time ago, cant explain it.

For me "God" created time, space and set the "rules" as how the universe functions (it is said that the universe is so fine tuned that with just the smallest change of this "rules" he couldnt exist) and God on the one hand is "nothing" while on the other his creation is everything.
Universe is "God's" perfect creation, self sustainable "organism" that he doesnt need to control or watch over.

Religions on the other hand ...are really about philosophies, and human rules and laws, that have greater weight if the priests present them as the words of God, some divine being that watches over us and will punish us if we dont follow this rules. "Religion is the opium of the people".

All of the historical arguments for the Existence of God (cosmological, ontological, teleological etc.) have been generally demonstrated as logically invalid. Your particular beliefs, not putting you in a box, Gob :-) is known as The Watchmaker, or Teleological Argument, and is a compelling argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument

Notes:
1. Just because an argument is logically invalid doesn't mean the premises or conclusions aren't true.
2. Religion is the opiate of the people. Opium is the Opium of the people.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:46

A lot of people believe in God.
A lot of people believe in Evolution as the origin of Species.
A lot of people believe in Global Climate Change.

Except evolution actually makes sense and you can see it if you look at nature and yourself. We are animals with developed brains.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 16:52

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:31

0. Now you're bowing to ad hominem attacks? "Full of shit acquaintances"?
Look: I'm not saying you don't have a right to your beliefs, I am saying that your claims and arguments are not logically sound.
1. Claims of 'god given' are as rationally valid as 'self evident'.

Hahaha. Just for the lulz. I find it amusing when people are bothered by inoffensive truths. But really? god-given stuff is rationally valid? As in, god-given rights? god gave you these rights you have right now? Did he sit on a cloud and write the bill of rights? Well in that case, I am sure you can expain why he gave people in different countries different numbers of rights. Or no rights at all, in others
Anyone who claims that god gave him anything, whether it's rights, a new car, or luck, is delusional or full of shit.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:31

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Admirable. But false. We are not created equal, there is no "creator" giving you stuff and looking out for you, and you have no rights. Rights are not rights if someone can take them away. They are privileges.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:31

Possession of Irrational Beliefs does not make one irrational in all domains of human knowledge. Plenty of people who believe in human freedom can solve equations, some people who believe in Heaven can write program code.

True. I was one of them myself. Perhaps ignorance is a word that fits them better.

Well, if you won't provide any arguments or evidence, I suppose that's it. You might as well be talking to me about how much better one brand of flapple is better than another.

You want evidence for the fact that we are not equal? Just go out and look around yourself for fucks sake.

There's no such thing as rights. We invented them. If my right to vote can be taken away, that is not a right, it's a privilege. The rights are there to give you a nice feeling. The moment the establishment has something to gain or hide by denying your rights, they will not hesitate for one second. You have privileges.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 16:56

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:46

A lot of people believe in God.
A lot of people believe in Evolution as the origin of Species.
A lot of people believe in Global Climate Change.

Except evolution actually makes sense and you can see it if you look at nature and yourself. We are animals with developed brains.

God makes sense, depending on whose eyes one looks through. Many (fill in the religion) will TELL YOU that the existence of God is self-evident, you just need to open your eyes. If men are animals with developed brains, why aren't there more and different kinds of animals with developed brains?

You *absolutely cannot look around at nature* and see how evolution is the mechanism that drives selection for the survival of the fittest and thus being the origin of Species. We can see selective forces at work changing things, but do we 'look around' and see species being created?
Evolution is accepted as scientific theory specifically because of the accepted scientific consensus. Millions of biologists agree that some form of natural selection is responsible for the origin of Species.

Tell me, why Black Shark's Billions are wrong on the belief in God but a few million (or less) biologists are right about the Origin of Species.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 17:07

If men are animals with developed brains, why aren't there more and different kinds of animals with developed brains?

That's an interesting question. Btw, pretty sure you know this but we share around 98% of our DNA with chimps I think.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 17:07

You *absolutely cannot look around at nature* and see how evolution is the mechanism that drives selection for the survival of the fittest

Yes you can, and the more you read on the subject the more you will realize it makes sense.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 17:07

Tell me, why Black Shark's Billions are wrong on the belief in God but a few million (or less) biologists are right about the Origin of Species.

Because black shark's billions believe dumb things like:

-Sex is sinful - wrong : Sex is the act of reproduction which almost all animals enage in (this includes the human animal)

-God is looking out for you - wrong: If there is a god, he clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about you, me or your old neighbor who died of heart attack while being robbed. And I doubt he gave a fuck about those millions of people dying in the camps starving in WW2. There is no way this god can exist, and if he does he is evil beyond measure.

-They are wasting their lives away and denying their basic biological (natural) impulses, which evolved there for a reason. Dirty thoughts and sex are sins (Reproduction), turn the other cheek and never get angry (Denying protective survival mechanism). And this wouldn't be a problem if they wouldn't ENCOURAGE AND EVEN FORCE others to do the same. This is why they're a bunch of fucking idiots.

-They blindly trust and support the church without looking back in time: Some time a few hundred years ago, the church (priests) owned vast amounts of land while dozens of other people were crowded, each family, into some small shithole they called their home. Whenever one of them came up to the priest to ask "when will we have some of this land, we are so crowded". The answer was always: "You will have yours later". Later, as in the afterlife, of course. Are you starting to see it yet? The elites lied to the masses about the afterlife so they can keep all the good stuff.

This is why they are wrong. The elites took all of this stuff and turned it into moral virtue, then packaged it as religion for control and benefit. And they think they're "going to heaven". Give me a fucking break.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 16:56

1. Claims of 'god given' are as rationally valid as 'self evident'.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 16:52

god gave you these rights you have right now? Did he sit on a cloud and write the bill of rights? Well in that case, I am sure you can expain why he gave people in different countries different numbers of rights. Or no rights at all, in others

By the way, this question still stands. Enlighten me. Wait, it's not necessary, I already know the answer.

Rights are made up by humans, that's why they are not the same in every country. There are no god-given rights, or god-given anything for that matter.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 17:02

There's no such thing as rights. We invented them. If my right to vote can be taken away, that is not a right, it's a privilege. The rights are there to give you a nice feeling. The moment the establishment has something to gain or hide by denying your rights, they will not hesitate for one second. You have privileges.

Look, I didn't speak to whether there are, or are not rights.
It was an effort, clearly wasted, to equate how people can hold beliefs which are not logically sustainable, without having these beliefs grounded in The Supernatural, beliefs that are shared by many others. And that one can maintain irrational beliefs in some domains of knowledge, and remain perfectly rational in others.

I say it was wasted because you have a religion, whether you care to acknowledge it or not. It is usually called the 'Evil Puppetmaster'.

- There is something that moves behind the scenes, manipulating everything, from world events to sport. If you can't see it, you must be deluded/blind/part of the EPs plan.

- If I disagree with you I must be deluded/blind/part of the EPs plan.

You are absolutely dead wrong about the plain meaning of Rights and Privileges.
Depending on your views rights and liberties may be positive and negative, absolutist, inalienable, or 'graded'.

The most basic right is the Right to Live, and even this is not inviolate.
- If you attempt to deprive someone else of this right, they may deprive you of your Right to Live. This is Self Defense.
- If you commit certain crimes, after due process, you may deprived of this Right as well.
Many will ignore your Rights. This is known as injustice, and injustice is not a desired state.

If I have more food than I need to survive immediately, and you are starving, does my right to property (food) bow to your right to life (not starve)?
If i have so much food I am destroying it to keep the monetary value of the rest of my food high, and you are starving, does my right to property (food) bow to your right to life (not starve)?

I'm not going to argue either way, but this point is important to inform the discussion on the difference between Rights and Privileges. Some rights are possibly more important than others, and some Obligations are more pressing than others.

You are not starving. I am not destroying food.
I invite you into my pantry to eat cakes.
Later, I ask you to leave. You were granted the privilege of eating my cakes in my pantry, and I revoked this privilege granted to you.
I invoked my right to exercise my rights over my property (cakes and pantry). I didn't violate your right, unless you have a right to eat cakes and be in my pantry. I don't need to provide a reason, or due process to revoke your privileges to be in my pantry or eat my cakes.

Liberty and franchise (freedom and voting) are rights that are frequently deprived of felons - people who have been convicted of transgressions against the lives, liberty or property of others. These punishments (generally) do not end the persons right to live and right to speech, which are deemed more important than freedom and voting.
No right is absolute. These rights were deprived only after due process, to punish the transgressions against the rights of others.

A common privilege is driving an automobile on public streets. You must attain a certain age, demonstrate base competency in driving law and practice to duly-appointed trustees, and generally demonstrate adequate financial responsibility in order to operate a motor vehicle on the streets owned by all of the people in a locale.
If you violate the laws, your privileges may be suspended or, after due process, revoked.
There is no right to drive, and your Right to Travel does not outweigh the other citizen's Right to Life, based upon your transgression.

Sorry for the civics lesson, but it sounds like you're from a Liberal Democracy, and that you should know better than to deceive those AW's who may not have as much experience with practical liberty as you.

You are right, I am the one deceiving people so let's stop these long ass useless posts. There's only one thing the world needs to know: There is no god, enjoy this life and what it has to offer. If through your own research and thinking can't figure that out, then just keep mentally torturing yourself about the afterlife and eternal hell. Either way, it's your choice.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 17:19

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 17:07

If men are animals with developed brains, why aren't there more and different kinds of animals with developed brains?

That's an interesting question. Btw, pretty sure you know this but we share around 98% of our DNA with chimps I think.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 17:07

You *absolutely cannot look around at nature* and see how evolution is the mechanism that drives selection for the survival of the fittest

Yes you can, and the more you read on the subject the more you will realize it makes sense.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 17:07

Tell me, why Black Shark's Billions are wrong on the belief in God but a few million (or less) biologists are right about the Origin of Species.

Because black shark's billions believe dumb things like:

-Sex is sinful - wrong : Sex is the act of reproduction which almost all animals enage in (this includes the human animal)

-God is looking out for you - wrong: If there is a god, he clearly doesn't give a flying fuck about you, me or your old neighbor who died of heart attack while being robbed. And I doubt he gave a fuck about those millions of people dying in the camps starving in WW2. There is no way this god can exist, and if he does he is evil beyond measure.

-They are wasting their lives away and denying their basic biological (natural) impulses, which evolved there for a reason. Dirty thoughts and sex are sins (Reproduction), turn the other cheek and never get angry (Denying protective survival mechanism). And this wouldn't be a problem if they wouldn't ENCOURAGE AND EVEN FORCE others to do the same. This is why they're a bunch of fucking idiots.

-They blindly trust and support the church without looking back in time: Some time a few hundred years ago, the church (priests) owned vast amounts of land while dozens of other people were crowded, each family, into some small shithole they called their home. Whenever one of them came up to the priest to ask "when will we have some of this land, we are so crowded". The answer was always: "You will have yours later". Later, as in the afterlife, of course. Are you starting to see it yet? The elites lied to the masses about the afterlife so they can keep all the good stuff.

This is why they are wrong. The elites took all of this stuff and turned it into moral virtue, then packaged it as religion for control and benefit. And they think they're "going to heaven". Give me a fucking break.

Now you're desparately quoting me out of context?
This was the quote:
You *absolutely cannot look around at nature* and see how evolution is the mechanism that drives selection for the survival of the fittest and thus being the origin of Species

This is what you put:
You *absolutely cannot look around at nature* and see how evolution is the mechanism that drives selection for the survival of the fittest

If you're not intellectually capable of having the discussion, at least don't be intellectually dishonest in it.
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The reason you You *absolutely cannot look around at nature* and see how evolution is the mechanism that drives selection for the survival of the fittest and thus being the origin of Species is because YOU CANNOT SEE SPECIES EVOLVING. I'm not talking about being an expert in punctuated equilibrium, or having read On the Origin of Species. Clearly, you *believe* in it, and clearly your belief is *not grounded in fact or reason*.
Plenty of Creationists believe in *natural selection* - that's how you get different breeds of crops, kitties, doggies and livestock.
Only recently have scientists observed species evolving, and the evidence is easily refuted based on equivocation on the word 'species' (also, we're talking about unicellular beings in artificial situation).
So, we've established your belief in Evolution is merely that. Faith, not grounded on reason. Like a Scientologist, or a Unitarian.

I then ask: "Tell me, why Black Shark's Billions are wrong on the belief in God but a few million (or less) biologists are right about the Origin of Species." You answer 'because they believe dumb things', and provide absolutely no reason why the biologists are right.
From the perspective of those who believe God created species as they are today, the biologists are wrong.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:22

From the perspective of those who believe God created species as they are today, the biologists are wrong.

From my perspective, those who believe such things are retards and not worth having any discussion with whatsoever. I piss on religious people's irrational perspectives, and on the perspectives of those who bring such crap to my attention.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 17:59

You are right, I am the one deceiving people so let's stop these long ass useless posts. There's only one thing the world needs to know: There is no god, enjoy this life and what it has to offer. If through your own research and thinking can't figure that out, then just keep mentally torturing yourself about the afterlife and eternal hell. Either way, it's your choice.

Are you illiterate or ignorant?
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that you cannot claim moral superiority based on logical reasoning or evidence.
You might even be right, but no one on the fence will ever know because you don't present reasoned arguments, you don't provide evidence, and you appear to have little factual knowledge about the subjects of which you so passionately believe. It seems you just hate religion and government.

I agree with you, wholly or partly on some key things -- but you're no better than a religionist - and in a sense worse: They don't claim to be the people of facts, reason and knowledge, so they don't do these things harm.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 18:40

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:22

From the perspective of those who believe God created species as they are today, the biologists are wrong.

From my perspective, those who believe such things are retards and not worth having any discussion with whatsoever. I piss on religious people's irrational perspectives, and on the perspectives of those who bring such crap to my attention.

You don't even know what evolution IS.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

Are you illiterate or ignorant?

So what happened? When I called religios people ignorant I was doing AH. Hypocritical much?

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

You might even be right

Might?

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

but no one on the fence will ever know because you don't present reasoned arguments, you don't provide evidence

Are you an idiot or just pretending to be one? Evidence must be provided by those who claim these stupid fairy tales are true. The BURDEN OF PROOF is on those who claim god is real no on those who are mentally healthy. I don't have to prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist, I simply am here on this planet. YOU must prove he exists, if you so believe.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

I agree with you, wholly or partly on some key things -- but you're no better than a religionist - and in a sense worse: They don't claim to be the people of facts, reason and knowledge, so they don't do these things harm.

After reading this last post, I don't really care anymore whether you agree with me or not. Go listen to some "religious people perspectives".

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 18:51

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

Are you illiterate or ignorant?

So what happened? When I called religios people ignorant I was doing AH. Hypocritical much?

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

You might even be right

Might?

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

but no one on the fence will ever know because you don't present reasoned arguments, you don't provide evidence

Are you an idiot or just pretending to be one? Evidence must be provided by those who claim these stupid fairy tales are true. The BURDEN OF PROOF is on those who claim god is real no on those who are mentally healthy. I don't have to prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist, I simply am here on this planet. YOU must prove he exists, if you so believe.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 18:45

I agree with you, wholly or partly on some key things -- but you're no better than a religionist - and in a sense worse: They don't claim to be the people of facts, reason and knowledge, so they don't do these things harm.

After reading this last post, I don't really care anymore whether you agree with me or not. Go listen to some "religious people perspectives".

The burden of proof, within a context, is upon the one making a controversial claim.
You've CLAIMED, among other things:
- That there is no such thing as rights/right to vote/voting is a privilege/privileges are the same as rights.
- That anyone can open their eyes and see species evolving before their very eyes.
- The basis of Christianity/Catholicism is 'priests taking all the land'.
- People who believe in God all believe Sex is Evil.
- People who are irrational in one domain of human knowledge (the existence of God) must therefore be irrational in all domains of human knowledge.

And because I challenge your illogical quasi-arguments and unsupported claims, you therefore turtle up and claim that onus probandi is upon me?
I never claimed God exists or doesn't exist!

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 19:14

I never claimed God exists or doesn't exist!

Cut the crap. So far you wrote about 10 books, most of it just fluff.

So. Do you believe in god? Calm down, it's not the middle ages anymore, you won't get killed if you say no

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 19:17

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 19:14

I never claimed God exists or doesn't exist!

Cut the crap. So far you wrote about 10 books, most of it just fluff.

So. Do you believe in god? Calm down, it's not the middle ages anymore, you won't get killed if you say no

Cut the crap?
Guess what? My beliefs are irrelevant.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 19:26

Guess what? My beliefs are irrelevant.

Nice try, but it doesn't work like that. You come here and blabber about all kinds of stuff writing the entire encyclopedia materia medica of chinese herbs, and now you are avoiding my question? Hahahah. Guess what, answer my question or shut the hell up from now on.

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 28.03.2014 at 15:51

Kirjutas Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:39

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:35

Kirjutas Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Like I said before, numbers don't matter. A billion people are idiots. Now stop annoying me with this nonsense. You get no more replies.

You are still unrational by saying they are all idiots just because of their belief. If they all failed in school, you can say that but you if you can't back that up and it's not reason why you think billlions are idiots therefore you're unrational.

yes because if they droped school they are idiots..seriously its like we try to take this a couple notches up and then you come and take it to the bottom again.It makes me wanna act like your parent now and teach you basic communication skills.Lets start with the basics.Your opinion is just your opinion and not the truth.To become the truth you have to provide the evidence.

I believe in flying ponies because i read it in a book.Should you proove to me that flying ponies dont exist or i have to proove to you they exist,to get to the truth?What do you think?

Hypocrisy. You provided no evidence but I simply used logic. And please prove how flying pony's are real, it's hardly the same as believing in God actually.

Unleashed, I did not say sex is wrong. I said prostitution btw.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:49

Kirjutas Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:39

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 15:35

Kirjutas Guest, 28.03.2014 at 15:28

but saying more than a billion people are not rational because they have beliefs is not rational itself.

Like I said before, numbers don't matter. A billion people are idiots. Now stop annoying me with this nonsense. You get no more replies.

You are still unrational by saying they are all idiots just because of their belief. If they all failed in school, you can say that but you if you can't back that up and it's not reason why you think billlions are idiots therefore you're unrational.

No. Scott Sonnon failed in school. He was placed in mental institutions. It wasn't because he's an idiot. He became a world champion afterwards. I don't need to back anything up. YOU must bring the proof.

In the case of your religion, belief equals stupidity and ignorance. You guys are idiots. Yes, you're a fucking idiot. I didn't keep my word but this time I will.

When I meant by ''failed in school'' I mean people who are simply dumb. Your argument is that because I have a certain belief, no matter I am a programmer, a smart general, a hacker, a math wiz. I am still a idiot. Your logic is flawed as fuck. And I also do not need to have proof to show how flawed your logic is.

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:29

When I meant by ''failed in school'' I mean people who are simply dumb. Your argument is that because I have a certain belief, no matter I am a programmer, a smart general, a hacker, a math wiz. I am still a idiot. Your logic is flawed as fuck.

But I have proof that you are an idiot. Just look at your posts in this thread.

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:29

And I also do not need to have proof to show how flawed your logic is.

Yes you do. Prove to me that god is real, untill then all you are is a retarded monkey talking nonsense.

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:24

Unleashed, I did not say sex is wrong. I said prostitution btw.

And once again you prove that you are not a christian, just a pretender. Pretenders don't get to heaven

Kirjutas Unleashed, 28.03.2014 at 19:31

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 28.03.2014 at 19:26

Guess what? My beliefs are irrelevant.

Nice try, but it doesn't work like that. You come here and blabber about all kinds of stuff writing the entire encyclopedia materia medica of chinese herbs, and now you are avoiding my question? Hahahah. Guess what, answer my question or shut the hell up from now on.

It absolutely *does* work like that. I didn't 'avoid' answering your question, I flat our refused to.
You're free to blather on, making unsubstantiated statements (reposted below), yet I am unable to speak to the merits of these statements without being set up for an ad hominem attack?
You've already called my associates 'shitty' because some of them believe in the natural law foundation for human rights, and for believing in the existence of those rights - all out of context.

Let me try a question for you: Have you always attacked people for their beliefs, or is this something new for you?

Here's a repeat of some of the absolutely laughable statements you've made. You might believe them - I'm sure you do, but still no evidence.

You've CLAIMED, among other things:
- That anyone can open their eyes and see species evolving before their very eyes.
Not at all a claim of evolution.

- The basis of Christianity/Catholicism is 'priests taking all the land'.
Christianity existed for some time before it became a religion that could be practiced openly.

- People who believe in God all believe Sex is Evil.
Even if you were right about Abrahamic religions, and you are not, I'll bet the 700 million-or-so-Hindus don't have this belief.

- People who are irrational in one domain of human knowledge (the existence of God) must therefore be irrational in all domains of human knowledge.
Muslims can't solve equations. Christians can't do their taxes. Jews can't write code. Buddhists can't do philosophy and Sikhs can't do physics. Obviously false, and clear first-order-conclusions from your premises.
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Try this:
- I do believe in god/gods. So what?
- I do not believe in god/gods. So what?
- I neither believe nor disbelieve in god/gods. So what?

Kirjutas Unleashed, 29.03.2014 at 04:09

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:29

When I meant by ''failed in school'' I mean people who are simply dumb. Your argument is that because I have a certain belief, no matter I am a programmer, a smart general, a hacker, a math wiz. I am still a idiot. Your logic is flawed as fuck.

But I have proof that you are an idiot. Just look at your posts in this thread.

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:29

And I also do not need to have proof to show how flawed your logic is.

Well think, what could have started the Big Bang? It exploded out from nothing. Surely someone, or something started it.
Yes you do. Prove to me that god is real, untill then all you are is a retarded monkey talking nonsense.

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:24

Unleashed, I did not say sex is wrong. I said prostitution btw.

And once again you prove that you are not a christian, just a pretender. Pretenders don't get to heaven

I'm a devout Christian mate.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

It absolutely *does* work like that.

No it doesn't. You won't get away with bullshit. In all of these long posts, you've basically said nothing. You keep blabbering about a bunch of nonsense which nobody cares about. We are talking about the lie which is also known as religion. So once again: Do you believe in god?

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

You've already called my associates 'shitty' because some of them believe in the natural law foundation for human rights, and for believing in the existence of those rights - all out of context.

You seem to have major comprehension problems. WOW. What I attacked them for was believing that these rights are somehow god-given, you stupid fuck.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

Let me try a question for you: Have you always attacked people for their beliefs, or is this something new for you?

Their beliefs attack me, you, and everyone else on a daily basis, so where is the sense in turning the other cheek? Well, I shouldn't expect any sense from religious fucktards I guess.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

- The basis of Christianity/Catholicism is 'priests taking all the land'.
Christianity existed for some time before it became a religion that could be practiced openly.

I just gave an example of how they used to trick people and laugh at them, but you can understand whatever you wish, you christian wanna-be.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

- People who believe in God all believe Sex is Evil.
Even if you were right about Abrahamic religions, and you are not, I'll bet the 700 million-or-so-Hindus don't have this belief.

I meant people who are religious, and as I already told you previously, I'm mainly reffering to the two major religions which are the most harmful. If these people don't believe that stuff, then they are not truly christians or muslims. They are pretenders, just like you pretend to be intelligent and sophisticated, yet you fail to see obviousl lies. This is what these people really are actually, most of them never read their "holy book", yet some of them talk about god every time they get an opportunity. LOL

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

- People who are irrational in one domain of human knowledge (the existence of God) must therefore be irrational in all domains of human knowledge.

I already answered this.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

You've CLAIMED, among other things:
- That anyone can open their eyes and see species evolving before their very eyes.
Not at all a claim of evolution.

You are a cretin.

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 04:16

I'm a devout Christian mate.

No you are not. You pretend to be one. Have you read the bible? Do you practice what's written in there everyday? Every single thing? I doubt it. You are not a christian, and you will never go to heaven.

Kirjutas Guest, 29.03.2014 at 01:02

You provided no evidence but I simply used logic. And please prove how flying pony's are real, it's hardly the same as believing in God actually.

What the fuck did I just read. Please shoot me. This is obviously a waste of time. I'm out of this thread I refuse to believe someone is this retarded. I almost became this cat




So have fun retarding, religious retards.

Kirjutas Unleashed, 29.03.2014 at 04:26

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

It absolutely *does* work like that.

No it doesn't. You won't get away with bullshit. In all of these long posts, you've basically said nothing. You keep blabbering about a bunch of nonsense which nobody cares about. We are talking about the lie which is also known as religion. So once again: Do you believe in god?

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

You've already called my associates 'shitty' because some of them believe in the natural law foundation for human rights, and for believing in the existence of those rights - all out of context.

You seem to have major comprehension problems. WOW. What I attacked them for was believing that these rights are somehow god-given, you stupid fuck.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

Let me try a question for you: Have you always attacked people for their beliefs, or is this something new for you?

Their beliefs attack me, you, and everyone else on a daily basis, so where is the sense in turning the other cheek? Well, I shouldn't expect any sense from religious fucktards I guess.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

- The basis of Christianity/Catholicism is 'priests taking all the land'.
Christianity existed for some time before it became a religion that could be practiced openly.

I just gave an example of how they used to trick people and laugh at them, but you can understand whatever you wish, you christian wanna-be.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

- People who believe in God all believe Sex is Evil.
Even if you were right about Abrahamic religions, and you are not, I'll bet the 700 million-or-so-Hindus don't have this belief.

I meant people who are religious, and as I already told you previously, I'm mainly reffering to the two major religions which are the most harmful. If these people don't believe that stuff, then they are not truly christians or muslims. They are pretenders, just like you pretend to be intelligent and sophisticated, yet you fail to see obviousl lies. This is what these people really are actually, most of them never read their "holy book", yet some of them talk about god every time they get an opportunity. LOL

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

- People who are irrational in one domain of human knowledge (the existence of God) must therefore be irrational in all domains of human knowledge.

I already answered this.

Kirjutas zombieyeti, 29.03.2014 at 04:12

You've CLAIMED, among other things:
- That anyone can open their eyes and see species evolving before their very eyes.
Not at all a claim of evolution.

You are a cretin.

Much foolishness. Such laugh.

- I've basically said nothing? I've taught you what *evolution* is. Failing that, I've tried to teach you what it isn't.
- I've educated you on the differences between rights and privileges, and how a right may be justly witheld, and still remain a right.
- I've explained that the burden of proof rests not only on the people making religious claims, but on those making any controversial claim.
- I've explained, via analogy, that people can hold an irrational belief, and not necessarily be otherwise irrational.

I've done more, but these four things are elementary lessons in science, civics, rhetoric and critical thinking. I agree most don't care about these things *because they already know them*. You clearly did/do not.

You've again stated that all religions are a lie, whereas the first time you did the right thing when confronted with your logically-fallacious generalization. Again, I refuse to answer your question, but have given you ample opportunities to vent your spleen on the three possible answers I could give to that question.

Regarding my 'shitty' associates (another civics and history lesson) - the natural law basis of human rights is is the same if its GOD or SELF EVIDENT. They are THE SAME. You missed that the first two times, because you see the word GOD and you lose what little reason you have.

Then you spill into more ad-hominems, then you 'accuse' me of being religious. I'll tell you this, I will always stand up for people's basic human rights, including their right to religious expression. I've been accused of being Black (politely) for standing up for human right, and I've been accused of being homosexual for standing up for people's human rights.

Accuse away. There is nothing wrong with being Black, Gay, or Religious. I *feel* there is something wrong about being racially, sexually or religiously intolerant. I won't stand for it.
You are religiously intolerant. And you're not even *clever* about it, which makes me sad.

"The main religions which are most harmful" - according to who? You?
You've even called Hindus 'not religious'.
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Clearly you believe that you are being oppressed by religious people. You also think that the government is manipulating things behind your back, and mysterious powers control the world. You've made all of these sad, obnoxious, intolerant claims, provided no evidence, presented no valid arguments.

You tell me I am pretending to be "intelligent and sophisticated". I am only presenting you with basic fundamental knowledge, accessible to a bright 10 year old, or an average adult with even the slightest 'pretension' to being knowledgeable.

I will post this and go find your response to my query: "Can people be irrational in some part of their life and rational in others".

Edit: Went back 12h, found no response. You said you already answered it. I can't find it. Might be there and I missed it.
I don't doubt your sincerity (I'm sure you believe you answered it).