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Postitatud Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

24.08.2016 - 14:17
Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.08.2016 at 14:11

Kirjutas Darth., 24.08.2016 at 13:52

You're blaming him for last game? He was dead last game lol. How is you losing concessions going to give him more power?

Also Aqollo saying 'secret enigmatic faction' really made my day XAXAXAXA You guys get all paranoid about how gow and I want to take over Rome all by ourselves. Idk how 2 guys will take over the Republic, but I'll take it as a compliment
I mean, we're outnumbered and outvoted, but somehow we're a 2 man conspiracy to do a coup.



Look at this man's lies stream straight from his lips.

He claims to be a 2 man team but tirpitz is also partnered with them.

He later claims that gow was assassinated turn 3 but it was turn 4.

Stop twisting the truth, people are getting sick of your shit. The fact that you people are the only ones who needed bodyguards last game really says something about your reputation.

No one is calling Tirp out you guys are concentrating on me and gow.

Semantics. I made a mistake by one turn. BIG lie!

I never twisted the truth. You guys were talking about gow, and then me. Tirp was never in the middle not even in last game...And I bought a bodyguard after gow got assassinated....wonder why? Was it because I knew a couple of paranoid people were gonna be coming after me next? Guess what? I was right.
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24.08.2016 - 14:18
Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.08.2016 at 14:13

Kirjutas Darth., 24.08.2016 at 13:54

How??! He didn't get voted into power, and he was assassinated turn 3, came back turn 6 and game ended turn 7....


He was killed turn 4 and never came back. Stop twisting the truth.

He did on the same turn Rome died then. I made a mistake with 1 turn. Don't act like it's a big lie
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24.08.2016 - 14:26
Kirjutas Darth., 24.08.2016 at 14:13

Gow, it's you and me versus the whole of Rome....we attack at dawn


seems only like one small faction tbh not all of rome
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24.08.2016 - 14:36
Kirjutas 1GodofWar1, 24.08.2016 at 14:26

Kirjutas Darth., 24.08.2016 at 14:13

Gow, it's you and me versus the whole of Rome....we attack at dawn


seems only like one small faction tbh not all of rome

Hmm you say one small faction, while they say whole of Rome. Either you're wrong (doubtful since only 2 people are saying this: Aqollo and Phoenix), or they're arrogant enough to believe they speak for the whole of Rome...

Phoenix you criticize gow for donating just 1 Talent, and yet you yourself haven't donated anything. Sure you're pointing fingers at gow saying 'he did it so I can' (I'm paraphrasing here) but he donated 1 coin, you donated zero. 1>0
You don't have the right to criticize anyone for inadequate donations if you yourself aren't donating. Criticizing the Consuls and gow for not being worthy enough to get you to donate to Rome...seems more like a convenient excuse. Perhaps you should donate some talents before telling people to donate. You know, Practice what you preach?

Aqollo idk why you dislike me but whatever. You have nothing to accuse me of, so you act like I've committed some massive lie by messing up when exactly gow got assassinated.
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24.08.2016 - 14:42
 Witch-Doctor (Moderaator)
Kirjutas Darth., 24.08.2016 at 14:36


Aqollo idk why you dislike me but whatever. You have nothing to accuse me of, so you act like I've committed some massive lie by messing up when exactly gow got assassinated.

There you go again leaving things out when it's unconvenient for you. Must be a habit for people like you.

You forgot to mention the part where you lied about being a two man team with gow when tirpitz is also with tou.
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24.08.2016 - 14:49
Kirjutas Witch-Doctor, 24.08.2016 at 14:42

Kirjutas Darth., 24.08.2016 at 14:36


Aqollo idk why you dislike me but whatever. You have nothing to accuse me of, so you act like I've committed some massive lie by messing up when exactly gow got assassinated.

There you go again leaving things out when it's unconvenient for you. Must be a habit for people like you.

You forgot to mention the part where you lied about being a two man team with gow when tirpitz is also with tou.

Lol nice changing the subject, but I'll clarify this and indulge you. You guys are targeting only me and gow. You guys are acting like me and gow are the two man team while ignoring Tirp while all we're trying to do it have fun and enjoy a fucking game. But at your convenience suddenly we're 3 people again....
I also notice that you have not replied to any of my points instead going off on a tangent. Face the facts Aqollo. All the accusations you and Phoenix are heaping on me and gow are for the 1st game of its kind not even hosted by the same guy. And as for that first game, you had everything necessary to remove us all from power. 6 of us versus 12-14 of you. You guys could have United against us and brought us down. Our terms were expiring and when I was proposed for dictator I didn't even know they planned to do so. Dictators last for 1 term. Did you look towards electing me for that 1 single term, saving Rome and then moving on with the game with other Dictators? Nope. You guys whined and complained, assassinated me, I fell, the Dictatorship was null, and Rome came tumbling after. And u our accusing us of being selfish. I was actually quite proud of myself. I managed to get all 6 of the people in the highest positions in 1 faction. Do you know how much PMs and negotiations that took??
Face it you got intimidated. Both you, and Phoenix.
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24.08.2016 - 14:50
Consul Vote
2) Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Gaius Julius (GodofWar )

Censor Vote
2)Caspiel Rex (Darth.)

Praetor Vote
2)Quantius Maximus (GC)

The current Consuls have decided to issue a vote on the replacement of Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) (commander of the First Punic War) with :
1)Consul Herius Sertorius (Aetius) as land commander, Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816) as naval commander

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
2) 3 fleets and 4 Legions

Force deployments
1)Dispatch all forces to the First Punic War

2) Guilty

Ship Building
Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes

Tax Farmer 4
Gaius Antonius (El Tundero) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes
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24.08.2016 - 15:19
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact 50% of the posts here are debates about the rules?
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24.08.2016 - 15:22
Kirjutas Zephyrusu, 24.08.2016 at 15:19

Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact 50% of the posts here are debates about the rules?

Maybe there should be another thread. One for only making turns (this one), and the other for speeches and rebuttals and stuff. We do have an entire empty subforum now so, lets fill it up.
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24.08.2016 - 15:54
 Witch-Doctor (Moderaator)
I use my tribune to veto the prosecution, end of discussion.
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24.08.2016 - 16:07
Consul Vote
2) Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Gaius Julius (GodofWar )

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
2)Quantius Maximus (GC)


Commands
1)Consul Herius Sertorius (Aetius) as land commander, Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816) as naval commander


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
1) 2 fleets and 5 Legions

Force deployments
1)Dispatch all forces to the First Punic War

Trial of Tiberius Numertorius (JF.)
I'd like to abstain from the vote

Ship Building (+3 per fleet constructed) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes


Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents per turn) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Gaius Antonius (El Tundero) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes
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24.08.2016 - 16:44
 Oleg
I retire from this game.
Find someone else to take my place.
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24.08.2016 - 17:18
Consul Vote
2) Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Gaius Julius (GodofWar )

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
2)Quantius Maximus (GC)


Commands
1)Consul Herius Sertorius (Aetius) as land commander, Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816) as naval commander


Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
3) 4 fleets
Force deployments
1)Dispatch all forces to the First Punic War

Ship Building (+3 per fleet constructed) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes


Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents per turn) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Gaius Antonius (El Tundero) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes
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24.08.2016 - 17:46
The Consul and praetor votes are very, very close. Waiting on Pyrrhus,mrarmy, and possibly tito if he bothers to show up but won't wait much longer
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24.08.2016 - 19:00
Consul Vote
2) Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) & Gaius Julius (GodofWar )

Censor Vote
2)Caspiel Rex (Darth.)

Praetor Vote
2)Quantius Maximus (GC)


Commands
The current Consuls have decided to issue a vote on the replacement of Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) (commander of the First Punic War) with :
1)Consul Herius Sertorius (Aetius) as land commander, Cossus Nipius Papus ( Death1816) as naval commander

Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
2) 3 fleets and 4 Legions


Force deployments
1)Dispatch all forces to the First Punic War

Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes

Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents per turn) (winner may refuse this and it will return to the next consuls)
Gaius Antonius (El Tundero) Backed by both Consuls +10 votes
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24.08.2016 - 19:07
Consul Vote
2) Publius Marius (Pyrrhus) & Gaius Julius (GodofWar)

Censor Vote
1)Herius Sertorius (Aetius)

Praetor Vote
2)Quantius Maximus (GC)


Commands
1)Consul Herius Sertorius (Aetius) as land commander, Cossus Nipius Papus (Death1816) as naval commander


Vote upon levying of new Legions/fleets
1) 2 fleets and 5 Legions

Force deployments
1)Dispatch all forces to the Punic War



Ship Building (+3 per fleet constructed)
Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)

Tax Farmer 4 (+2 talents per turn)
Gaius Antonius (El Tundero)
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24.08.2016 - 19:24
==Turn 2: Phase 3 has begun==
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24.08.2016 - 20:46
By an offensive into the hinterlands do you mean bypassing the Carthaginian Fleet to land troops or something? I thought the fleet had to killed first before you could begin landing legions.
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24.08.2016 - 20:53
Kirjutas Darth., 24.08.2016 at 20:46

By an offensive into the hinterlands do you mean bypassing the Carthaginian Fleet to land troops or something? I thought the fleet had to killed first before you could begin landing legions.


Only if Papus wins will I engage...
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25.08.2016 - 08:35
Kirjutas Tundy, 23.08.2016 at 19:53




I want to buy Bank membership for 1 talent.
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25.08.2016 - 09:17
==Turn 3: Phase 1 has begun==
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25.08.2016 - 09:29
1 talent for +1 on equite roll
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25.08.2016 - 09:47
Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 25.08.2016 at 08:35

Kirjutas Tundy, 23.08.2016 at 19:53




I want to buy Bank membership for 1 talent.


Ok, we just have to wait until the revenue phase for it to take effect.
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25.08.2016 - 09:48
*btw Sertorius resigns command and returns to rome. Upon arrival he gives a short speech to the Senate

"I will not be a kind Censor, Rome is falling deeper into disarray. Avarice in such times is tantamount to treason!

Therefore, I firmly suggest all incomes derived from concessions be donated in to the state treasury. Your failure to do so will result in prosecution. As an example I will donate 5 talents and I have no concession.

Hail Rome and the eternal Republic!


1 talent to equite roll
5 talents donated to the treasury
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25.08.2016 - 09:48
3 for equite. 1 to Rome

Lets go again. That roll was unlucky.. strat selection cant fail us forever. But we're going about it the right way.

build 4 fleets.. and raise enough for 2/3 legions and we can do this.
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25.08.2016 - 09:54
3 for equite. I concur with Phoenix. Rebuild the fleet, amass some new legions, and lets deal with Carthage. I say we ignore the pirates and pay off the Gauls for now. If they attack us again than we can build up new legions to deal with them. But for now, let's focus our efforts on Carthage.
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25.08.2016 - 09:54


The Bank

Membership is given for free to those who have successfully completed 2 transactions with the bank, it is also possible to buy a lifetime membership for 1 gold coin.
To take a loan all you have to do is to quote me with the name of the loan you want to take.

[Member] Godfather




Loans:


Basic Loan = My bank will give you 3 gold coins during revenue phase, in return you will permanently deposit 1 gold coin every turn for the lapse of 4 turns.
[Members Only] Basic Loan II = My bank will give you 3 gold coins during revenue phase, in return you have to permanently deposit 4 gold coins before a lapse of 5 turns.




Modest Loan = My bank will give you 4 gold coins during revenue phase, in return you will have to permanently deposit 1 gold coin every turn for the lapse of 6 turns.
[Members Only] Modest Loan II = My bank will give you 4 gold coins during revenue phase, in return you have to permanently deposit 5 gold coins before a lapse of 6 turns




Extensive Loan = My bank will give you 5 gold coins during revenue phase, in return you will have to permanently deposit 1 gold coin every turn for the lapse of 7 turns.
[Members Only] Extensive Loan II = My bank will give you 5 gold coins during revenue phase, in return you will have to permanently deposit 6 gold coins before a lapse of 7 turns.




Campaign Arrangements:

The bank will provide you with 5 votes, in return you will deposit permanently 1 gold coin.
The bank will provide you with 7 votes, in return you will deposit permanently 3 gold coins.




Lobbying

[Free with Membership] The bank will dispatch a seasoned orator to fight for your case, in return you will permanently deposit 1 gold coin




Insurance

5-Turn Insurance = The bank will hire a tribune to veto your persecution, in return you have to permanently deposit 1 gold coin every turn for a lapse of 5 turns even if you got persecuted. This protection will end after a period of 5 turns or if a tribune was used to veto.

Failure to follow the agreement of Type 1 loans will result in a 2 gold coin penalty
Failure to follow the agreement of Type 2 loans will render your membership null, and you will receive a 3 gold coin penalty.
Campaign arrangements are first come first serve, i will only provide such services to 1 client a turn
Gaius Antonius as owner of the bank will not lobby against himself
Insurance doesn't cover charges of assassination
The Bank may refuse to offer its services to anyone, but once payment has been made the bank will always honor its part of the deal.
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25.08.2016 - 10:15
 Witch-Doctor (Moderaator)
1 talent on equite
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25.08.2016 - 10:28
3 talents on Equite

I will donate the rest of my talents, including temple collections to Rome.
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25.08.2016 - 11:05
3 for equite
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