The problem is indeed culture

A couple days ago I saw an incredible thread titled "The problem is not Illyria, the problem is culture" . This thread contained some really "interesting" statements by particular individuals which I had planned to respond to but was busy at the time and now it seems slightly pointless since I will not be able to quote these individuals(the thread has disappeared) and they may simply claim, "I never said that". Hence I will simply speak very briefly about the "cultural" problem.

Observations have led me to believe there is a culture of "speak first, think later ... speak with either incomplete information or in some case NO INFORMATION regarding the topic of discussion.." Then we have one of the most prevalent, "failure to address the topic at hand but an inclination to distract the readers via personal attacks on one individual or another". Everyone may claim it is their right to behave as they see fit so this is all I have to say as it pertains to this:
Your opinion is yours and I cannot change that but when you take your opinion and wish to bring it into the public domain, as long as it pertains to State of Mind, or Silent One, I will exercise might right to respond so be prepared to substantiate your claims or risk being made to look as a total idiot.

Of course you can simply just stay silent in the first instance.

I made the post, and I deleted the post.

I didnt made it for let clans insult each others - hence why I deleted it.

I made it because there is no guarantee that other clans wont stop CW for 1st place.

How cute

more infighting

Get out

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 01.09.2014 at 19:07

Get out

By culture, I hope you mean the whole "stopping to CW if you're first"...

Kirjutas Khal.eesi, 01.09.2014 at 19:07

Get out

pretty much sums up my feelings too. hope you saw my post in the other thread silent, i said everything i had to say about all this

crimson tide are poor sports, state of mind are hypocrites and poor sports(particularly their leader but hey lets tar the whole clan with the same brush). im curious as to how you intend to defend yourselves from these accusations, the evidence is on the forums, the last 20 cws you played, and a nice little screenshot by clovis.

Kirjutas Spart, 01.09.2014 at 19:24

How ironic everyone posted exactly what the original post addressed as a problem. Lets just be autistic and blame whoever we can lol. Because none of us are good enough to address the real problem or do anything to better the system.

Who gives a fuck anyway.

Kirjutas minusSeven, 02.09.2014 at 09:47

How ironic everyone posted exactly what the original post addressed as a problem. Lets just be autistic and blame whoever we can lol. Because none of us are good enough to address the real problem or do anything to better the system.

Who gives a fuck anyway.

everyone knows the systems fucked, but we are not the admins, and they are busy with html5, so that leaves the cw system to the mercy, morals and sense of fairplay of the other clans.

and look how thats turned out, and your clan is a shining part of the problem.

just stop being poor sports and play everyone who asks for cws, stop lying about other clans not being available and all this other nonsense and excuses, you can stop all this. this goes to you too state of mind.

Kirjutas Permamuted, 02.09.2014 at 09:59

everyone knows the systems fucked, but we are not the admins, and they are busy with html5, so that leaves the cw system to the mercy, morals and sense of fairplay of the other clans.
and look how thats turned out, and your clan is a shining part of the problem.

So instead of blaming the system you decide to take upon yourself to blame the clans for doing what is clearly not illegal.

I never thought the ban list feature would get implemented but the map makers took it upon themselves and look at how that turned out. I never thought ban list feature would come out but it did and map makers were able to push it enough. There is nothing stopping us from imposing similar, better cw system in place. There won't a lot of coding for that either. There is nothing stopping you from suggesting a better system in place than what we have here. I made a post on improving cw culture to stop the bitching, had no effect whatsoever. Clovis tried the same ended up deleting the post altogether . Spart had a good post with 1000 comp initial before cw season starts. What have you tried ?

I think you are far more interested in bitching other clans than doing anything constructive to improve. Hope you take it the right way.

Kirjutas minusSeven, 02.09.2014 at 10:27

So instead of blaming the system you decide to take upon yourself to blame the clans for doing what is clearly not illegal.

I never thought the ban list feature would get implemented but the map makers took it upon themselves and look at how that turned out. I never thought ban list feature would come out but it did and map makers were able to push it enough. There is nothing stopping us from imposing similar, better cw system in place. There won't a lot of coding for that either. There is nothing stopping you from suggesting a better system in place than what we have here. I made a post on improving cw culture to stop the bitching, had no effect whatsoever. Clovis tried the same ended up deleting the post altogether . Spart had a good post with 1000 comp initial before cw season starts. What have you tried ?

I think you are far more interested in bitching other clans than doing anything constructive to improve. Hope you take it the right way.

i made posts in several of these threads, but notice how not a single one of them received an admin response, indeed if you look at the visitors list on your thread in particular, youll notice the admins have never even looked at your thread.

http://atwar-game.com/forum/whovisit.php?topic_id=15250

so a waste of time. you say theres nothing stopping us, well actually there is, we are not admins.

you and silent making posts advising people to stop bitching is laughable, as both of you helm clans that are a part of the problem everyone is complaining about. you are both glorious shining examples of how the cw system is fucked. Congratulations.

So hop off those high horses of yours and attempt to better yourselves before you attempt to advise others on their behaviors.

seriously minusseven, look at what your clan did to obtain number 2, have you no shame? why are you trying to defend yourselves?



you farmed our training clan, you farmed the troll mk clan death made, chilled on ice? who even is that clan? how is it we, who ask for cws all the time has never even encountered this clan yet you have? and praeotrian academia, a training clan for ancient world which you guys somehow convinced to play on europe lol.

you havent a leg to stand on, lecturing others, go on, hang your head in shame.

The part where Laochra actually not only started all this, but also is coming up with the same discussion on every single threat seems cool.

Come on, season end. Just let it pass lol. Illyria had the same system that State of Minds and Crimson Tide.

Judge someone because they play other clans is like judge someone because he rewall.

You cant charge it, and nothing prevent you from do it. We all agreed that the currently CW system need an improvement. OK. Blame the system, not the clans.

Kirjutas clovis1122, 02.09.2014 at 11:16

Illyria had the same system that State of Minds and Crimson Tide.

please elaborate.

and if youre going to come to the forums and publicly attack illyria, then we will respond.

Kirjutas Permamuted, 02.09.2014 at 11:23

Kirjutas clovis1122, 02.09.2014 at 11:16

Illyria had the same system that State of Minds and Crimson Tide.

please elaborate.

and if youre going to come to the forums and publicly attack illyria, then we will respond.

Will you say it is false? What stop illyria for cw theses "farm clans" ? Public attack illyria? xaxaxa I just point a fact. Not an attack.

You've started this type of discussion in every post I see about clans. How are you planning to resolve this? attacking other clans?

Also nothing prevent any clan from which 3 random players could just leave it, make "new totaly legit clan" so that original clan could farm on it and be first without any problems. I think that isnt punishable and cant be considered as farming cuzz.. o well, it a grey area a little bit. But ppl dont do that because its not reasonable and its not fair, same as being first just because you avoided to play vs strongest clans or some other stupid stuffs. But for some reason people do that. And its crap.

Kirjutas Steve Aoki, 02.09.2014 at 11:30

Also nothing prevent any clan from which 3 random players could just leave it, make "new totaly legit clan" so that original clan could farm on it and be first without any problems. I think that isnt punishable and cant be considered as farming cuzz.. o well, it a grey area a little bit. But ppl dont do that because its not reasonable and its not fair, same as being first just because you avoided to play vs strongest clans or some other stupid stuffs. But for some reason people do that. And its crap.

For some reason you serbian wall. Some people dont do it because is not nice. Same with rewall.

Can you stop people from do it? NO because it is legal.

Can you do the same? YES.

Farming a clan is punishable by the rules, as long as you can prove it is farm.

Kirjutas clovis1122, 02.09.2014 at 11:31

Kirjutas Steve Aoki, 02.09.2014 at 11:30

Also nothing prevent any clan from which 3 random players could just leave it, make "new totaly legit clan" so that original clan could farm on it and be first without any problems. I think that isnt punishable and cant be considered as farming cuzz.. o well, it a grey area a little bit. But ppl dont do that because its not reasonable and its not fair, same as being first just because you avoided to play vs strongest clans or some other stupid stuffs. But for some reason people do that. And its crap.

For some reason you serbian wall. Some people dont do it because is not nice. Same with rewall.

Can you stop people from do it? NO because it is legal.

Can you do the same? YES.

I did million times serb wall. 2 times in cws. And usualy when i do in 3v3 game, its a troll game. And by troll i mean that i am playing volga vs ukr/turk/belarus in same team and i will try to serb wall 3 of them just for fun.
So what, your plan is not to stop that? You wanna join them? Support them.

That "proving" part is grey area.

Kirjutas Permamuted, 02.09.2014 at 10:47

i made posts in several of these threads, but notice how not a single one of them received an admin response, indeed if you look at the visitors list on your thread in particular, youll notice the admins have never even looked at your thread.

http://atwar-game.com/forum/whovisit.php?topic_id=15250

so a waste of time. you say theres nothing stopping us, well actually there is, we are not admins.

you and silent making posts advising people to stop bitching is laughable, as both of you helm clans that are a part of the problem everyone is complaining about. you are both glorious shining examples of how the cw system is fucked. Congratulations.

So hop off those high horses of yours and attempt to better yourselves before you attempt to advise others on their behaviors.

I thought about posting my side of things but then decided otherwise. You don't deserve that actually. Every attempt I have taken to be on the constructive side of things you have kept going back to the cws and about how we did <bla insert all the excuses here>(even though we played almost all clans in the last 20 cws including syndicate, sm, state of mind, Mk, illyria and evol). You tend to keep on doing that in threads over and over again. Clearly you have issues.

So yeah keep on bitching all you like about us, you clearly enjoy it. Its much harder to actually do anything to improve.

BTW not everyone agree to what exactly is the problem here. A lot of people here (not us or state of mind) had a problem with illyria( I won't name any of them). Not that it helps.

Kirjutas clovis1122, 02.09.2014 at 11:25

Kirjutas Permamuted, 02.09.2014 at 11:23

Kirjutas clovis1122, 02.09.2014 at 11:16

Illyria had the same system that State of Minds and Crimson Tide.

please elaborate.

and if youre going to come to the forums and publicly attack illyria, then we will respond.

Will you say it is false? What stop illyria for cw theses "farm clans" ? Public attack illyria? xaxaxa I just point a fact. Not an attack.

You've started this type of discussion in every post I see about clans. How are you planning to resolve this? attacking other clans?

we beat syndi 7 times in a row in those 20 cws that made up 19:1, mk also 7 times, then we had beat winterfell on ancient world, their map. and you try to compare us to crimson tide?

we shouldnt take you seriously, you just included "xaxaxa" in your post.

and the same accusations towards illyria appear in every thread. and i respond to them.

Kirjutas minusSeven, 02.09.2014 at 11:36

I thought about posting my side of things but then decided otherwise. You don't deserve that actually. Every attempt I have taken to be on the constructive side of things you have kept going back to the cws and about how we did <bla insert all the excuses here>(even though we played almost all clans in the last 20 cws including syndicate, sm, state of mind, Mk, illyria and evol). You tend to keep on doing that in threads over and over again. Clearly you have issues.

So yeah keep on bitching all you like about us, you clearly enjoy it. Its much harder to actually do anything to improve.

BTW not everyone agree to what exactly is the problem here. A lot of people here (not us or state of mind) had a problem with illyria( I won't name any of them). Not that it helps.

what was your side of things? you all have hectic real lives? the world cup stopped you from cwing good clans? we've already dismissed all these excuses. we all saw the crimson tide forum post declaring that you should not cw mk or illyria.

and lies, in your last 20 cws you have not played illyria, you lost your only cw vs mk which was funnily played after it became apparent you could not win the season.

as i said minus, stop making up excuses for your weak clan. youre fooling nobody, especially with this whole "im trying to be constructive but youre all bitching at me " stance.

and in the rest of your post you just ignored what i said in order to repeat yourself. yes go make more threads about the broken clanwar system while the admins dont even look at them.

but in the meantime, by all means farm your way to the top of the season playing weak clans and show us all how fucked up the clan war system really is.

First I want to congratulate State of Mind coalition on winning the summer season.

Hope to see you CWing alot in this new season, because Mysticals are ready to take your title

Kirjutas Permamuted, 02.09.2014 at 11:55

what was your side of things? you all have hectic real lives? the world cup stopped you from cwing good clans? we've already dismissed all these excuses. we all saw the crimson tide forum post declaring that you should not cw mk or illyria.
and lies, in your last 20 cws you have not played illyria, you lost your only cw vs mk which was funnily played after it became apparent you could not win the season.
as i said minus, stop making up excuses for your weak clan. youre fooling nobody, especially with this whole "im trying to be constructive but youre all bitching at me " stance.
and in the rest of your post you just ignored what i said in order to repeat yourself. yes go make more threads about the broken clanwar system while the admins dont even look at them.
but in the meantime, by all means farm your way to the top of the season playing weak clans and show us all how fucked up the clan war system really is.

You know what now that I think about it, I just might do that just to see you react the same way over and over again. Since you care so much about who plays who more than anyone else. Please keep continuing this bitching in all threads, its very enlightening for everyone of us. Most of us feel very educated by it.

And you have tendency to say the same thing over and over again, no matter how many times I try to say I get it. Yes I get you say "WE FARMED AND WE ARE FARMERS" and you keep posting that all over again. Would you stop replying if we state we agree to everything you said.

Kirjutas clovis1122, 01.09.2014 at 18:53

I didnt made it for let clans insult each others - hence why I deleted it.

That's exactly the same reason why this thread is getting locked right now. This obviously turned into a flame war.

I also think the CW system could use some upgrades, but discussions like this won't help a single bit to change it. There are concerned players who are actually trying to improve the system. You might want to have a look in ideas and suggestions forum and check for yourselves.