Make East Germany Great Again

Many east Germans see themselves as second-class citizens
https://www.ft.com/content/6fe23e32-df90-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

Germanys dissapointing reunification, How the East was lost
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/germany-s-disappointing-reunification-how-the-east-was-lost-a-703802.html

East Germans still victims of cultural colonialism by the West
https://www.dw.com/en/east-germans-still-victims-of-cultural-colonialism-by-the-west/a-41199804

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie




First Cold War 1980





Second Cold War 2020

That happand when you boarder with slavs on east and top richest countries on west xD

East Germany is slavic.

Tsiteeri:

Life in East Germany was more peaceful, there was order and time passed slow, but we lacked furniture, so we imported from our cousins in West Germany.

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Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 03.11.2019 at 15:39

Tsiteeri:

Life in East Germany was more peaceful, there was order and time passed slow, but we lacked furniture, so we imported from our cousins in West Germany.

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Sascha

Kirjutas Guest, 03.11.2019 at 16:44

Sascha

Nop

East Germany is also the area where all the anti-immigration riots took place. They're a ballsy lot. Huge respect for them and their struggle.

Kirjutas avatar, 27.10.2019 at 17:56

That happand when you boarder with slavs on east and top richest countries on west xD

East Germany is slavic.

They aren't. They're Germans who never had Liberal education or Liberal system influencing them from birth to death. Eastern Germany had its faults, but it promoted a patriotic system that sought social cohesion and opposed divisions. Even the holocaust narrative was completely different and far less demeaning than Western zionistic liberal propaganda:

Tsiteeri:

"This politicization of history was fairly obvious inside the educational system of the GDR where the ruling SED party popularized a script of Fascist depravity in which the German toiling classes were among the victims. Like the USSR and other Eastern bloc states, the state-sanctioned line was that the primary targets of fascism were Marxists and all other victims were ancillary to the fundamentally anti-communist goals of Hitler. This led the Holocaust to be enfolded into other crimes of Hitlerite depravity in which the specifically racial and antisemitic nature of the Holocaust lost much of its weight. Popular histories in the GDR often emphasized the heroic nature of communist resistance to fascist crimes, often to the detriment of even acknowledging other groups' suffering. Buchenwald and Sachsenhausen became important state pilgrimage sites for the state youth group, Freie Deutsche Jugend, but these sites' emphasized KPD suffering and heroism rather than guilt and contemplation."

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/46go4m/how_was_the_holocaust_taught_and_understood_in/

It's still bullshit, but it's alot less damaging calling Germans heroes for their struggle against some mythical 'dragonmonster' rather than telling the Germans they themselves were monsters that need to be held in constant check.

Tsiteeri:

"The history curriculum in the GDR often presented its students with often quite graphic and voluminous details of German crimes, but the imperative to not privilege any one group, whether ethnic or ideological, above the wartime KPD and the Soviets meant that the victims of the Third Reich were an undifferentiated polyglot mass."

I can only imagine the kvetching this got. It's still bullshit, but we can see how this story alone and how it was told has been part of the deep divide between West and Eastern Germany. Guilt and shame are powerful and destructive forces and Eastern Germany had a lot less of it.

You had to mention Holocaust again...

Ok let's talk about something else, what about Philippines? I hear it's lovely this time of year.

Her: How will you reclaim East Germany for the Reich?

Me: Shut up, watch.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 04.11.2019 at 10:43

You had to mention Holocaust again...

It's the current foundational story of our entire collective civilisation and extremely relevant to the difference in thought between Western and Eastern Germany. Why do you think Godwin's Law exists? Godwin's Law is a direct result of this being our foundational story and it effects every single action, policy, event and will continue to do so until it is dissected, deconstructed and removed from the public discourse.

All conversations inevitably lead to Hitler/Nazis/Holocaust because all of our modern culture and morals are founded upon this mythology. Godwin's Law is an expression of this constantly reinforced narrative within our collective consciousness.

West and East Germany are made up of the same people and yet they are now radically different in thought and morality. How this narrative was taught is part of this.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 04.11.2019 at 19:35

Why do you think Godwin's Law exists? Godwin's Law is a direct result of this being our foundational story and it effects every single action, policy,
All conversations inevitably lead to Hitler/Nazis/Holocaust because all of our modern culture and morals are founded upon this mythology. Godwin's Law is an expression of this constantly reinforced narrative within our collective consciousness.

Maybe because Hitler, Reich and NSDAP is something unique in human history, something so weird and shocking that made us remember it for all times and still continues to dictate our policies, actions and life? Did you think about it this way?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 05.11.2019 at 11:36

Maybe because Hitler, Reich and NSDAP is something unique in human history, something so weird and shocking that made us remember it for all times and still continues to dictate our policies, actions and life? Did you think about it this way?

Are you claiming racial politics and anti-homosexuality was unique to Germany in the 1930's? Don't be stupid, m8. America was segregated, the Soviet Union was segregated, most of the British Empire and its Anglo-settled colonies had White-Only immigration policies and all of these countries banned homosexuality. Alan Turing was chemically castrated after the war. The uniqueness of Germany was its economic policy and its restructuring of its hierarchy, but that is never spoken about. As I said in previous thread, Western soldiers were taught that the 'Nazi's' were cross-dressing homosexuals that hated God and murdered nuns. The narrative against National Socialism is whatever is useful at the time.

The mythology dictates our lives because those who tell the national stories shape our national destiny. Why would you of all people assume national stories are purely organic and a reaction by moral individual's who all magically come to similar conclusions? That's a Liberal mythos, not a collectivist one. We both know the public rarely has its own will implemented and are almost always talked down upon. Stories are top-down. This foundational myth is the most astroturfed story of all time. There is nothing organic about it. It is a 'Big Lie'.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 05.11.2019 at 22:44

Are you claiming racial politics and anti-homosexuality was unique to Germany in the 1930's? Don't be stupid, m8. America was segregated, the Soviet Union was segregated, most of the British Empire and its Anglo-settled colonies had White-Only immigration policies and all of these countries banned homosexuality. Alan Turing was chemically castrated after the war. The uniqueness of Germany was its economic policy and its restructuring of its hierarchy, but that is never spoken about. As I said in previous thread, Western soldiers were taught that the 'Nazi's' were cross-dressing homosexuals that hated God and murdered nuns. The narrative against National Socialism is whatever is useful at the time.

No i don't claim that. Segregation and anti-sodomy existed back then and it wasn't shocking like it is today. But neither USA, UK or USSR had death camps, genocide or held public speeches about conquering the world, exterminating other races and settling foreign lands. This is the difference between the Reich and Allies.

[edit: europe-centric pov]
Maybe it is shocking because Reich decided to kill Whites and colonize Europe instead other parts of the World like UK and Spain? Maybe because they tried when that time is gone, instead trying 200 years earlier like everyone else?

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 05.11.2019 at 22:44

The mythology dictates our lives because those who tell the national stories shape our national destiny. Why would you of all people assume national stories are purely organic and a reaction by moral individual's who all magically come to similar conclusions? That's a Liberal mythos, not a collectivist one. We both know the public rarely has its own will implemented and are almost always talked down upon. Stories are top-down. This foundational myth is the most astroturfed story of all time. There is nothing organic about it. It is a 'Big Lie'.

You forget that not only Jews went through the Holocaust, and you forget Holocaust happened in East Europe not Israel. There are millions of people with a family member, cousin or friend who survived Holocaust. Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Serbians, Gypsies. My own grand-uncle (idk on english) was sent to death camp (forgot which one, my grandmother told when when i was a child) in 1942, and he survived because 'jews had priority' to be killed, so war ended before it was his turn.

German ally Croatia (we call them Germans, not nazis, because we look at things historically, not from the contemporary political view) even had children death camp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisak_children%27s_concentration_camp
They openly segregated children and adults, didn't even bother to hide it from the world except badly made entrance sign 'work camp'.

This story can tell you millions of eastern europeans, so denying Holocaust is ignoring millions of people who went there, got murdered there and survived there. Maybe Jews are using it for political purposes, maybe they are inflating their deaths there, but fact is Holocaust happened because there are millions of victims and witnesses.

You are looking at it from the Western/Anglo point of view, where you just sent expeditionary forces to Europe, and fought. So for you, it was just another war. But WW2 in East Europe was different, it was war for survival, war of conquest, total war. We didn't had elections in 1944 like USA, no political campaigns, movies didnt work, no ice cream stands. We didn't had time to chase chicks with our new army uniforms and dance with them before our platoon goes into battle. And i say we because i have their blood, our blood is spilled in that age. So when you attack and/or question Jews for Holocaust, you are indirectly attacking and questioning our part in it.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

No i don't claim that. Segregation and anti-sodomy existed back then and it wasn't shocking like it is today. But neither USA, UK or USSR had death camps, genocide

Old Tito making a come back. Why are suddenly shifting in to your old ways? Do we have to have this conversation for the 10th time where I show ample evidence showing the massacres and deaths caused by each side in the war? The famine in Bengal by the British, the genocide of the Volga Germans in Russia, the starvation of German POW's by allied forces AFTER the war? The internment of the Japanese? The internment of the British under Japanese occupation? The seizure of Iran and the starvation of its people by both Russian and British forces in both world wars? The list of atrocities is endless and no side is innocent of them. No side looks good... unless you win.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

or held public speeches about conquering the world

In actual fact, I think the Axis were the only side that didn't make such speeches. Communism and Liberalism had global intentions. America, Britain, France, Soviets had EMPIRES. Germany had only post-Versialle land. National Socialism sought more land, not the world. Everyone else had global empires that were expanding. The attack on German is a post-war projection.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

exterminating other races and settling foreign lands.

EVERYONE except Germany was doing this. Why are there so many Russians in Eastern Europe post-war? Do you think they settled those areas peacefully? I fucking hate these lies, Tito. You're lying now. Openly lying.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

This is the difference between the Reich and Allies.

It's a projection of the worst kind. The post-war accusation of Germany is a precise description of every other EMPIRE that was declaring war on it. It's the sole reason Germany sought land, because it was surrounded by expanding empires that have consistently attacked Central Europe for centuries.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

Maybe it is shocking because Reich decided to kill Whites and colonize Europe instead other parts of the World like UK and Spain? Maybe because they tried when that time is gone, instead trying 200 years earlier like everyone else?

If that were the case, where's your moral outrage over your own country conquering Eastern Europe, invading Poland and massacring their entire leadership and burying them in a forest? The hypocrisy here is infuriating. They had no issue with Empire expansions in Europe. They ignored the Soviet expansions even after the war.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

You forget that not only Jews went through the Holocaust, and you forget Holocaust happened in East Europe not Israel. There are millions of people with a family member, cousin or friend who survived Holocaust. Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Serbians, Gypsies.

Sooooooo many survivors. Worst exterminators in history if their goals were this big.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

My own grand-uncle (idk on english) was sent to death camp (forgot which one, my grandmother told when when i was a child) in 1942, and he survived because 'jews had priority' to be killed, so war ended before it was his turn.

Bullshit. If he was sent to a death camp, why did he survive? It really disputes the name. If an Empire wants you dead, you get dead. It isn't difficult, it's not hard. It gets done. It's not a death camp if you survive. If he was sent to a camp in 1942, and was fed, clothed, warmed and survived for three years, then it's not a death camp. A 3 year que? To be killed? Bullshit.

I've already posted this twice, and I'm posting it a third time. The people that created the damn mythos admitted that they lied about it. There was no '11 million'. It was a lie. They admit it.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

German ally Croatia (we call them Germans, not nazis, because we look at things historically, not from the contemporary political view) even had children death camp.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisak_children%27s_concentration_camp
They openly segregated children and adults, didn't even bother to hide it from the world except badly made entrance sign 'work camp'.

What a trash wiki. Yet again, a campsite LITERALLY CALLED "Refugee Transit Camp" for refugee kids DURING A WAR where many parents are dead, is corrupted into some fictitious death camp. 6000 kids, a quarter of them died to typhus outbreaks, during a war, where typhus outbreaks were common.

Tsiteeri:

"The camp's commander was Dr. Antun Najžer, a physician known as the "Croatian Mengele".

Tsiteeri:

"He is remembered as the Croatian Mengele[2] because of conducting medical experiments on his victims"

LOL

And not a single solitary source. "[2]" leads to some article bitching about lack of recognition by the current Serbian government. Not a single source for any of these 'medical experiments'. TOTAL TRASH. It's a few buildings including a nunnery and an old warehouse for drying salts. Where the fuck is Mister Croatian Mengele going to conduct his Frankenstein 'medical experiments'? With what tools? What was he trying to find out through experimentation? Nothing. There's nothing. As usual. 30,000 documents on the kids, but nothing on these 'experiments' or ghastly evil plans to murder them all. Just typical documents on who they are and their conditions. He's a physician, running a camp for refugees of a war, and then gets shot by communists for being associated with Croatian nationalists. That's it. That's all there is. They then concocted some bullshit story DECADES later, that we was actually an EVIL SCIENTIST, which the Serbian government doesn't even recognise because even they know this is bullshit.

They didn't bother to 'hide it' because there was nothing to hide. It housed thousands of child refugees, and less than a quarter of them died to disease. That's a really poor attempt at 'extermination'.

Tsiteeri:

"When a typhus epidemic broke out, Najžer ordered the transfer of the infected children to the improvised hospital"

OMG, HE'S SENDING THE KIDS, TO A HOSPITAL, WHAT AN EVIL MAN.

Tsiteeri:

which, however, increased mortality among the children.[citation needed]

CITATION NEEDED
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Wow, no citations? I am shocked.

Tsiteeri:

"Witnesses recount seeing an Ustashe soldier pick up a child by the legs and smash its head against a wall until it was dead, ..."

WOOOOOOOOOOOW, I've never heard this same, exact, identical, bullshit story told a THOUSAND times before.

It's repeated in every piece of atrocity propaganda. On every side of every war. For thousands of years. "OH, they smashed the heads of a babes against the wall". It's embarrassing at this point. It's as old as the story of "soldiers were were forced to kill their own dogs to prove their loyalty" told about every military force in the world.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

This story can tell you millions of eastern europeans, so denying Holocaust is ignoring millions of people who went there, got murdered there and survived there. Maybe Jews are using it for political purposes, maybe they are inflating their deaths there, but fact is Holocaust happened because there are millions of victims and witnesses.

I'm not the one denying it. Jewish Holocaust historians are. And they're saying they openly lied about it.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

You are looking at it from the Western/Anglo point of view, where you just sent expeditionary forces to Europe, and fought. So for you, it was just another war. But WW2 in East Europe was different, it was war for survival, war of conquest, total war.

It was no different for Germany.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

We didn't had elections in 1944 like USA

Implying you ever did LOL. Did Stalin get elected every time? For decades? Sure m8.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

We didn't had time to chase chicks with our new army uniforms and dance with them before our platoon goes into battle.

Nah, they just raped millions of them across Eastern Europe, as they 'totally didn't conquer Eastern Europe'.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 06.11.2019 at 10:50

And i say we because i have their blood, our blood is spilled in that age. So when you attack and/or question Jews for Holocaust, you are indirectly attacking and questioning our part in it.

5th time

https://www.timesofisrael.com/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

Nothing you have said even challenged or tackled anything I said. Not a thing. You even acknowledged this image and its source in an earlier post and then have the audacity to continue pretending you didn't see it.

I will not tolerate fluid, ever-changing atrocity propaganda as the founding mythos of my nation and our civilisation, especially if it does nothing but harm. You refuse to attack this sentiment because you know it's true. Everything you dislike, is justified and enforced because of this mythos. You're effectively killing yourself.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 08.11.2019 at 02:39

You're effectively killing yourself.

You crazy, we won... We survived, first mongols, islam, europeans, now americans and liberalism.

The picture you're showing is about Jews in Holocaust, not everyone, and i repeat not only Jews experienced Holocaust, because it happened in Europe, not Israel (the picture alone explains they talk about numbers, not that it happened). I don't tell you how to run your country, neither does my government, so you should stop accusing us of lying. You can continue your investigation into Holocaust, i even encourage you. But ignoring witness accounts? That's just plain dumb, you talk against liberals and leftists but then you use their tool of war: ignoring proofs.

I trust my blood. My blood was spilled and desecrated in the WW2, my people suffered, and many died. Troops complained our government is too good to the occupied Germans after the war, allocating them resources, medicine and food, for being humane. And i understand them. So alright, let's say you ignore witness accounts, i still put trust in it. What you gonna do now? We have witnessed talking how camps operated, ways of people getting killed, their food rations, diseases. And i am not going to post proofs because that's like googling how much is 2+2, and because i am not interested in the subject. All i want you is to stop mixing Jews with Slavs and stop ignore Slavic suffering in WW2. Atleast while i am around, because i see and won't tolerate it. I don't go around from forum to forum talking about it, but i will defend my blood when i see injustice and slander.

You consider Kalinigrad as 'Russians in Eastern Europe? Don't make me laugh, USSR should've annex all of East Germany as compensation. Greatest historical mistake ever. Wish it was Russia not USSR, but oh well, you can't choose.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

You crazy, we won... We survived, first mongols, islam, europeans, now americans and liberalism.

Liberalism is the most dangerous of all. It is an occupation of the public mind, enforced by shadows of power you never see or hear from.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

The picture you're showing is about Jews in Holocaust, not everyone

What part of '5 million Non-Jews' do you not understand? The mythos preached across the West is '11 million'. C Sharp mentioned it twice, it's written in every school textbook. They claimed 11 million civilians were deliberately 'exterminated' in these camps, of which 5 million were made up of slavs, homosexuals, gypsies and undesirables. It was a lie. Now they claim that these people were not exterminated. They now say these people simply died of disease. They admitted this for two reasons i know of. There could be other reasons I am not aware of. Firstly, Trump failed to mention 'Jew's in a Holocaust remembrance speech. The collective zionist institutions had a conniption fit and suddenly claimed that ONLY Jews were deliberately exterminated, reducing the non-Jewish deaths to a few thousands. The second reason was due to their desire to pressure Poland into paying 'reparations' for some fictitious participation in the Holocaust. They want a third of the land in all of Poland and the government is possibly capitulating. The mythos was useful until it wasn't and now the mythos changes to suit their current interests. The same will happen to Russia for their 'Jewish progroms' supposedly committed in the Tsarist era and the Soviet era.

As I said, the same arguments Holocaust revisionists used are today being used against Poles that claimed that slavs were exterminated. They claim the Poles are lying to cover up their participation and deny Poles were ever targeted for extermination. They want Polish land and the USA is pressuring Poland into giving it.

Tsiteeri:

"Polish far-right supporters protest against restitution of Jewish property"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-israel-idUSKCN1SH0HA

Apparently, anyone opposing land seizure is 'far-right'.

Tsiteeri:

"The Justice for Uncompensated Survivors Today (JUST) Act, or Act 447, requires the U.S. Department of State to provide a report to Congress on the progress of dozens of countries that signed a declaration in 2009 on the restitution of assets seized during or following World War Two.

The so-called Terezin declaration also includes provisions to give formerly Jewish-owned property with no heirs to Holocaust survivors in need of financial help or to support education on the subject.

"There is no such law in the world that would sanction (restitution of heirless property) and the Americans want to force us to pay those damages which are simply illegitimate," said Adam Jureczek, a driver from the south-western region of Silesia."

The current government appears to be capitulating on this and may enforce it in the future. Enormous pressure is being put on Poland and the mythos is getting ripped up and remodified for this purpose.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

and i repeat not only Jews experienced Holocaust, because it happened in Europe, not Israel (the picture alone explains they talk about numbers, not that it happened).

They deny it happened. From 5 million to a few thousand is quite a vocal denial. They want Slavic land and they can't have Slavic victimhood getting in the way of that.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

I don't tell you how to run your country, neither does my government, so you should stop accusing us of lying.

I will accuse them of lying. The mythos isn't your story, it never was. It is a Zionist story which they get to dictate. You have no power over it and it is now being used against Slavs to seize land. You got played. You aided their narrative and now Slavs will pay for it.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

But ignoring witness accounts? That's just plain dumb, you talk against liberals and leftists but then you use their tool of war: ignoring proofs.

Witness accounts which are unprovable, written in books with no names or sources? The wiki you posted had no sources. Nothing tangible or concrete. You yourself ignore the 'witnesses' of soviet and serbian 'crimes'. Horror's do occur on all sides, but to play the angel and claim the loser is the devil, and then believing this narrative, that is the true fools errand.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

I trust my blood. My blood was spilled and desecrated in the WW2, my people suffered, and many died. Troops complained our government is too good to the occupied Germans after the war, allocating them resources, medicine and food, for being humane.

A third (up to a million) of the German POW's sent to Russia didn't come back alive. They died in gulags after the war. That isn't good. No one can pretend that is good. How many Volga Germans died? They were Russian and had lived in Russia for centuries. 350,000 died when they were forced Eastward and never allowed to resettle their old lands. They remembered this and when the Soviet Union fell, many of them left for Germany.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

So alright, let's say you ignore witness accounts, i still put trust in it. What you gonna do now?

I'll keep warning you and keep telling the truth, and the Slav will suffer greatly for perpetuating the post-war Narrative and the holocaust myth. Today this mythos is now being used on the Polish Slav to steal their land, and the same will happen to every Slavic nation, including Russia. The Zionists are so blunt with their motives and goals and you think being a good little gentile will stop their claims. No, it just means you're weak and ripe for picking.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

All i want you is to stop mixing Jews with Slavs and stop ignore Slavic suffering in WW2. Atleast while i am around, because i see and won't tolerate it. I don't go around from forum to forum talking about it, but i will defend my blood when i see injustice and slander.

And this mythos that you use to defend your blood, will be used to bleed it.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

You consider Kalinigrad as 'Russians in Eastern Europe?

Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland. I'd mention Ukraine but I know what you will say. Russians aren't having as many children so their numbers are getting smaller and the Nordic populations are growing, but these nations were settled with a great number of Russians after the war.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 08.11.2019 at 14:29

Don't make me laugh, USSR should've annex all of East Germany as compensation.

It did. Soviet Union fell apart. Arguably, the worst event to occur as this created a power vacuum that was filled by liberal zionist internationalists.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

Liberalism is the most dangerous of all. It is an occupation of the public mind, enforced by shadows of power you never see or hear from.

Agree. Tried to tell this Westerners but they don't listen, they equote it with Liberty, Four Freedoms and Capitalism.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

The same will happen to Russia for their 'Jewish progroms' supposedly committed in the Tsarist era and the Soviet era.

Actually this is good starting point; if Israel/Jews accuse Russia of Pogroms or Holocaust, and wish reparations or use the same narrative like against the Germans, then you are right about them. Actually let's add in Spain as well (inquisition).

Pogroms happened by the way, but let's see if they gonna use same methods, if they do, then you are right.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

As I said, the same arguments Holocaust revisionists used are today being used against Poles that claimed that slavs were exterminated. They claim the Poles are lying to cover up their participation and deny Poles were ever targeted for extermination. They want Polish land and the USA is pressuring Poland into giving it.

The current government appears to be capitulating on this and may enforce it in the future. Enormous pressure is being put on Poland and the mythos is getting ripped up and remodified for this purpose.

This smells German, maybe they want Prussia and Silesia back. I stopped following geopolitics few months ago, but i have information gained enough, that Germany is desperated to kick US bases out, create EU army and get old German land back. Of course they can't do it openly, so they are using polish reparations or israel as a cover up. Nothing will come of it, post-modern age is just talk and no action. This is the End of History.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

They deny it happened. From 5 million to a few thousand is quite a vocal denial. They want Slavic land and they can't have Slavic victimhood getting in the way of that.

I see you denying Slavic Victimhood, not them. Maybe we are getting in your way?

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

I will accuse them of lying. The mythos isn't your story, it never was.

Maybe it is their Mythos, but it is was my blood's Reality.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

Witness accounts which are unprovable

Well sorry we can't get into the minds of speaker, we are not there yet. So let's question our whole existence back 5000 years. All those court trials.

Next thing i'm gonna argue some American denying Iraqi War

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

A third (up to a million) of the German POW's sent to Russia didn't come back alive. They died in gulags after the war. That isn't good. No one can pretend that is good. How many Volga Germans died? They were Russian and had lived in Russia for centuries. 350,000 died when they were forced Eastward and never allowed to resettle their old lands. They remembered this and when the Soviet Union fell, many of them left for Germany.

3 million Germans captured in USSR, 300,000 died = 10% death rate
5.5 million Soviets captured in USSR by the Germans, 3.3 million died = 60% death rate

Totally not extermination, they died of disease and hunger right? But oh wait, that was an accident, it was not orchestrated i promise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mistreatment_of_Soviet_prisoners_of_war

Oh and 100,000 of those dead Germans are from Stalingrad Siege, so if we remove them, death rate falls to 7% (TIK yt)

I didn't said anything about Volga Germans, they suffered and it was retarded to move them. But no one invited Germans from Germany.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

I'll keep warning you and keep telling the truth, and the Slav will suffer greatly for perpetuating the post-war Narrative and the holocaust myth. Today this mythos is now being used on the Polish Slav to steal their land, and the same will happen to every Slavic nation, including Russia. The Zionists are so blunt with their motives and goals and you think being a good little gentile will stop their claims. No, it just means you're weak and ripe for picking.

A Jew who deals with gold 2 milleniums because it is his fucking proverb 'Do not deal with rotten products, but lasting', suddenly wants land? For what, farming? I don't buy it, this is German plot.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

And this mythos that you use to defend your blood, will be used to bleed it.

I don't see Jews bleed us, but i did see Germans, French, Polish, English and American in the last 200 years only.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland. I'd mention Ukraine but I know what you will say. Russians aren't having as many children so their numbers are getting smaller and the Nordic populations are growing, but these nations were settled with a great number of Russians after the war.

Baltic was Russian 200 years before Finland was taken, there are no Russians there, and they were autonomous 'Duchy' with a parliament, never under direct control. Why would you say Birthplace of Russia (the ukraine) was settled by Russians and it was illegal/immoral? That doesn't make any sense.

Baltic isn't Nordic by the way.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

It did. Soviet Union fell apart.

So USSR had gulags, killed millions, deported, openly annexed Kalinigrad, but covertly annexed East Germany? One would think such country would have no problem to openly annex 100k km^2 piece of clay? Correct your story.

Kirjutas Tik-Tok, 09.11.2019 at 02:25

Arguably, the worst event to occur as this created a power vacuum that was filled by liberal zionist internationalists.

So Russia was occupied by Judeo-Bolsheviks, who then annexed East Germany after WW2, which then collapsed and created vacuum which was filled by the Zionists?

Correct your story again Tik-Tok.

I thought it's about former eastren Prussia

This reminds me of the good old days

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Actually this is good starting point; if Israel/Jews accuse Russia of Pogroms or Holocaust, and wish reparations or use the same narrative like against the Germans, then you are right about them. Actually let's add in Spain as well (inquisition).

As usual, missing the bigger picture. Why did the Spaniards SUDDENLY commit a pogrom? Was it because of a 700 year occupation? How did this centuries long occupation begin? How did the Spanish people fall?

Tsiteeri:

In the spring of 711, a Muslim army invaded Iberia led by Tariq ibn Ziyad, serving the Arab governor Musa ibn Nusayr, at Guadalete they swiftly defeated Roderick (Luthariq) the Visigoth King and then marched northward to the Visigoth capital of Toledo. Both Latin and Arabic chroniclers record that the Jews of the city "opened the gates of Toledo" to Tariq, who conquered the city. With more cities to take Tariq left Toledo and entrusted its protection to a garrison of Jewish soldiers, whom had rose up against the Catholic Visigoths and opened the gates.

When Tariq's master, Musa ibn Nusayr, arrived in Iberia with a large Arab force he seized Seville and like Tariq before him, he entrusted the city to its Jewish inhabitants until his return.

http://www.judaism-islam.com/jews-opene-the-gates-of-toledo/

The Spanish remembered who opened the gates and let the enemy in. 1300 years later, and who is still opening the gates of Europe?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Pogroms happened by the way, but let's see if they gonna use same methods, if they do, then you are right.

I know I'm right. Why would I wait for it to keep happening?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

This smells German, maybe they want Prussia and Silesia back. I stopped following geopolitics few months ago, but i have information gained enough, that Germany is desperated to kick US bases out, create EU army and get old German land back. Of course they can't do it openly, so they are using polish reparations or israel as a cover up. Nothing will come of it, post-modern age is just talk and no action. This is the End of History.

Holy fuck. You see the evidence, you see who is doing it. You see who is demanding it. It's all there, and you then claim it's the Germans? THE FUCKING GERMANS! Wake the fuck up. You have all the evidence and you create some purely fictional conspiracy by Germans with no evidence at all. Slavs are getting fucked, openly, publically, on the world stage, by Jewish organisations, and you point to the Germans. You make me sick.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

I see you denying Slavic Victimhood, not them. Maybe we are getting in your way?

They are denying it. That's my point. Are you dense? You have no argument, do you?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Maybe it is their Mythos, but it is was my blood's Reality.

And it will be used against you, because you're a damn fool. It's a lie, and the lie you perpetuate is their's, not yours.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Well sorry we can't get into the minds of speaker, we are not there yet. So let's question our whole existence back 5000 years. All those court trials.

We do question all of that history. It's why we know so much about it. We can't quest the holocaust. It's illegal in Europe, remember?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Next thing i'm gonna argue some American denying Iraqi War

We have actual evidence for that. Mountains of it. Not a single document for anything in the 1940's.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

3 million Germans captured in USSR, 300,000 died = 10% death rate
5.5 million Soviets captured in USSR by the Germans, 3.3 million died = 60% death rate

Not according to my sources, but you missed the point. Why the hell is there a large death rate of German POW's during peace time? Russian deaths occurred during wartime.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Totally not extermination, they died of disease and hunger right? But oh wait, that was an accident, it was not orchestrated i promise.

It's war. Who are Germany going to feed? Their citizens and their occupied territories or POW's? You'd have a point if they died post-war.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Oh and 100,000 of those dead Germans are from Stalingrad Siege, so if we remove them, death rate falls to 7% (TIK yt)

Post-war. They held them for 20 years.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

I didn't said anything about Volga Germans, they suffered and it was retarded to move them. But no one invited Germans from Germany.

They moved there in the 1700s and early 1800s. Welcomed in by Russians to farm. Now you brush their deaths off like it's nothing. You're a hypocrite. You proved my point.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

A Jew who deals with gold 2 milleniums because it is his fucking proverb 'Do not deal with rotten products, but lasting', suddenly wants land? For what, farming? I don't buy it, this is German plot.

Dumbest reply you've ever given to me. I'm talking to a fucking alien. The Jewish media and Israeli government is making this demand with no interference by the Germans and you're blaming the Germans. You utter coward.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

I don't see Jews bleed us, but i did see Germans, French, Polish, English and American in the last 200 years only.

Then you're not a Slav. Most of these anti-Jewish pogroms were committed by Slavs. Did they do it for no reason at all? How can the English mistreat Slavs? The only interaction between Slavs and the English was over Crimea. You're full of shit and a total coward for not accepting the obvious truth.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Baltic was Russian 200 years before Finland was taken, there are no Russians there, and they were autonomous 'Duchy' with a parliament, never under direct control. Why would you say Birthplace of Russia (the ukraine) was settled by Russians and it was illegal/immoral? That doesn't make any sense.

Then why did it require an invasion to take it back? You're a hypocrite. These arguments with you were the worst. You make broad moral accusations against the Germans but excuse every Russian act of aggression. It's pathetic.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Baltic isn't Nordic by the way.

Yes it is. They're a Nordic/Slavic peoples. Where did they come from? All these lands were settled by Nords. The Kievan Rus were Vikings ffs.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

So USSR had gulags, killed millions, deported, openly annexed Kalinigrad, but covertly annexed East Germany? One would think such country would have no problem to openly annex 100k km^2 piece of clay? Correct your story.

Russian invaded Germany, and occupied its East. The Soviet Union fell and lost control. Why are you playing dumb?

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

So Russia was occupied by Judeo-Bolsheviks, who then annexed East Germany after WW2, which then collapsed and created vacuum which was filled by the Zionists?

Founded? Yes? Maintained. No. Stalin purged them over time. They lost more power overtime, and the remnants of these Jewish Communists moved to America. Neo Conservatism was founded by purged Jewish communists. Marxism lost the argument in what was the best political policy for Jewish interests. Capitalism won.

Kirjutas Skanderbeg, 09.11.2019 at 14:31

Correct your story again Tik-Tok.

It's perfectly correct. You're the one playing dumb.